Ep5 – Ryan Munsey from Natural Stacks on CILTEP and body biohacking

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Ryan Munsey from Natural Stacks discusses CILTEP and the practice of body biohacking.

The podcast with Ryan Munsey covers:

-Brain optimization with personal trainer and nutritionist Ryan Muncie.
-Optimizing human performance through biohacking and self-experimentation.
-Natural supplements and fitness.
-Nootropic supplements and their effects on cognitive function.
-Biohacking and self-experimentation.
-Daily productivity habits and mindset.
-Nutrition and exercise with a focus on carbohydrate intake.
-Carbohydrate intake and hormone regulation.
-Nutrition and food science with a focus on high-fat, low-carbohydrate diets.
-Nutrition and wellness misinformation.
-Health and wellness with a biohacker and entrepreneur.
-Brain function and neurofeedback research.
-Neurofeedback and Brain Health.
-Biohacking, brain health, and physical performance.

Speaker 1 0:07
Welcome to another episode of headfirst with Dr. Hill. This is your vodcast on all things brain and how to lean into it and get some science get some inspiration about what is happening inside that three pounds of jelly sitting on top of your shoulders. Today’s guest is Ryan Muncie Ryan is a personal trainer and nutritionist. He’s also the chief optimizer at natural stacks, and works with a wide variety of clients, including athletes from around the world, have them optimize their brains. Ryan is the host of the optimal performance podcast that actually I was a guest on not too long ago. And he is a two time best selling author has two books in nutrition blueprint and abs for athletes. That’s kind of exciting. So Ryan, wants to tell us a bit more about you and what you’re doing. What do you keep your days busy with? As a biohacker? Yeah, so

Speaker 2 0:50
I guess, for the longest time, or for as long as I can remember, I’ve just been obsessed with elite human performance, whether it’s in the mental or physical realm, and I think anybody who has seen it or experienced it, you know it when you see it, and it’s almost a mesmerizing thing. And I got to witness it firsthand in college. And it it’s just been a pursuit, ever since then to, you know, optimize it for myself. But to figure out the mechanics behind it, how do we achieve it? How do we get there? And how do I help other people do the same thing. And it is evolved over the course of 10 or 12 years. I started with weightlifting and bodybuilding. And that became fitness model moved to New York did that. That wasn’t really where I wanted to be. And I thought that that would give me a platform. I knew I needed some sort of platform for people to listen to me. Yeah. But it turned out you know that that was a little bit more of a superficial world to live in than I wanted to modeling. I can’t imagine. Yeah, right. Yeah. Who would know? So I moved back home to Roanoke was a personal trainer started my gym house of strength in 2012 warehouse style, performance based training, and from there got really heavily involved in biohacking was listening to Dave Asprey, Joe Rogan. And that’s where I was introduced to natural stacks and things just started snowballing with them. I knew I wanted to get out of the gym, to be able to help more people on a daily basis and reach a wider variety of people instead of just the people who lived in Roanoke, Virginia. Sure, sure. So it was just kind of everything timed perfectly, got married, my wife finished residency, she’s a physician interval, we knew that we were going to be moving. So we moved to Virginia Beach recently. And so she’s internal medicine, hospitalist, and I get to be the chief optimizer for natural stacks. And

Unknown Speaker 2:48
so what is that? What is it chief optimizer?

Speaker 2 2:51
It’s a really cool title. And it’s a cool question to answer because No, two days are the same for me. Yeah, right now I’m, we’re in LA, I’m traveling out here to get my brain hooked up at peak Brain Institute, right, we’re doing some EGS looking at, you know how my brain works. Based basically being a human guinea pig testing, all realms of biohacking and performance optimization, whether it’s, you know, things like heart rate training, or heart rate variability, whether it’s fitness related, whether it’s mindfulness, or anything that can help us that we can use as a tool, I’m learning it, I’m experiencing it, you know, I get to take advantage of being that curious person by nature, we accumulate that information, and then we’re sharing it with our audience and helping as many people as we can put these tools in their toolbox. So it’s about

Speaker 1 3:44
curating information out there as well as producing products. Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:47
So with natural stacks, you know, our, our mission is to provide all of those tools and all that information, you know, we do have supplements, we do have the things that people can can take on a daily basis to help but we also realized that, you know, that stuff doesn’t work unless you’re living the lifestyle that supports the results that you want to get. So we’re putting that information out there. We’re educating people. So for me, it’s the podcast, it’s blogs, it’s emails, okay, you know, helping all of our customers who write in, you know, you mentioned in the intro helping people all around the world, we’ve got endurance athletes who are out there doing 100 mile races, we’ve got Olympic athletes, we’ve got Hollywood celebrities, movie stars, the spectrum of people that we get to help is so cool. So very, it’s just it’s a blessing to be able to do this.

Speaker 1 4:38
So do you still have time to keep yourself healthy and fit and moving forward in that peak performance biohacking realm? Are you still are you working more on helping other people this splint it’s definitely

Speaker 2 4:46
been a challenge. It was something that you know, with given my background in I mean, I have a degree in Food Science and Human Nutrition. I have, you know, the string coach background used to own a gym so you would think that those would be things that I could put on autopilot. Sure. And I sort of made that mistake over the last few months when things got really busy. And and that’s not to say that there was this huge dip. But it was noticeable to me and for me. Sure. So it’s definitely something that I still even 1012 years into it, you know, being as I don’t want to call myself advanced, but you know, I know what I’m doing. Sure, but I still have to focus on it in order to get the results.

Speaker 1 5:28
I’ll have to actually execute you can’t just be momentum with physical fitness. Yeah,

Speaker 2 5:32
yeah. So so that has been a little bit of a challenge. But fortunately, you know, I have people around me who, you know, kind of give you that that check. I call it a cocked check. I don’t know if you can say that on here, called a gut check. But, you know, they give you that check. And he makes sure that that that you move forward. And you’re you’re doing what you’re supposed to be I mean, that, to me, that’s part of accountability and surrounding yourself with people that you know, will hold you accountable and keep you moving forward.

Speaker 1 5:57
Gotcha. That’s wonderful. Say let’s let’s dig into into natural stacks a little bit. So, you know, I of course, helped design a product called TruBrain. Natural stacks main product is called sell to sell tap. I’m somewhat familiar, but actually not thoroughly familiar. So that was a blend or a stack, right? Yeah,

Speaker 2 6:13
several things. Yeah. So So for us, the stack is several ingredients included in one formula formulation, to provide a synergistic effect, okay, is greater than, you know, the individual components. Sure. So with silt up, we’ve got five ingredients, all natural, it is patented. But part of what we do at natural stacks is that we’re trying to avoid well, not we’re not trying to we do avoid proprietary blends, but we could we hate the industry standard of hiding behind proprietary blends as to

Speaker 1 6:45
good, nice. Well done. I’m highly approve of actually disclosing ingredient amounts. Yes. That’s nice. Yeah. So

Speaker 2 6:50
we call that open source. If people are familiar with like coding, you have open source code. It’s the Open Source Initiative. And, you know, we want to know exactly what we’re putting in our body. We want to know the ingredients, we want to know the amounts and we think that the consumers have that right to know as well. Absolutely. So we make sure that that’s, you know, for fun on all of our labeling, but with natural style or with silt up specifically, we’ve got artichoke extract and for skolan Okay, those are the kind of heavy hitters in that the what is forskolin. So it’s an herb, it’s a plant, and it’s been used in bodybuilding circles for a long time to promote Fat Loss and Muscle Gain. Okay, but that daily dose is typically somewhere around 20 milligrams, okay, and silt up, I think it’s a lot closer to four milligrams. But with the artichoke extract, that’s actually a PDE, four

Unknown Speaker 7:42
inhibitor Vasa esterase.

Speaker 2 7:43
And so by inhibiting that, that that enzyme PDE for downregulated, cyclic a&p. Sure, so by preventing that we get an indirect boost in cyclic ANP. Okay. And then with for skolan, that is a direct increaser of cyclic a&p. So we get elevated levels of cyclic a&p or camp. And what you experience when you’re on siltech, is this increased engagement or increased focus, desire to be engaged in whatever it is that you’re doing? Okay. And then, because we have elevated camp that leads to increased long term potentiation? Sure. So when we say focus and memory on the label, you know, that’s how we’re achieving it. And, you know, if you’re better able to catalog the information that you take in while you’re on it, you know, then you’re better able to recall it later. Sure, much more veteran coding there for better consolidation Exactly. And better recall later. So we’ve done some some short, small tests with memory champions who improve their recall after using silt up. The other ingredients in the stack are acetyl l carnitine, which prevented brain fatigue. In the early iterations of siltech. People were crashing it like noon, without the elkaar interest. So adding that prevented brain fatigue, and then there’s phenyl alanine for a slight kick down that dopamine pathway so you get a little bit of motivation. Sure. And then B six, just to keep everything you know from you’re not missing out on that rate limiting factor. Yes,

Speaker 1 9:10
absolutely. So that’s wonderful. So occurs to me, phosphate esterase, being manipulated or suppressing it. Caffeine also is broken down essentially by phosphate esterase. Do you get a potentiation of coffee or caffeine when there’s still tap in your system?

Speaker 2 9:24
They certainly work synergistically? I don’t notice. Feeling profound. Yeah, I wouldn’t say that I feel more caffeinated about taking solta okay, but they definitely work together. So, you know, we, Dave Asprey and bulletproof you know, that’s, that’s a strong relationship that we have, he loves SIL tab, we’re the only non bulletproof product that they sell on their website. He’s a big fan of soul tab. So it definitely works synergistically if if you want to either drink black coffee or add butter to it and butter coffee.

Speaker 1 9:55
And then so when you make your own bulletproof or you butter and and MCT is or what’s your high recipe

Speaker 2 10:00
I actually use ghee instead of butter okay because I don’t respond well to dairy okay so that the

Speaker 1 10:06
dairy proteins the ghee, is that just the fat is that is that true? I’m not yes but totally familiar me I cooked with ghee but I don’t know what it is beyond a refined or a clarified

Speaker 2 10:14
clarified butter so you can make ghee at home and basically what you do as you boil it until you get the solids at the top and skim them off and those solids are small amounts of dairy proteins okay? Like if you look at the ingredient label of butter, it would say zero protein but if you cook it you will see some stuff. So there is some in there and so for me I don’t get that inflammatory response from those dairy proteins with ghee, but I do get that from butter got it. For me that manifests as like bloating filmy skin, I actually get like psoriasis or eczema type rash on my foot. Okay. And that’s, that’s always, that’s always an indicator for me. Like if I have certain whey proteins or any kind of dairy protein that always flares up. Interesting.

Speaker 1 11:00
Okay, cool. So yeah, I used to do some coconut oil and butter, but honestly, I like coffees flavor way too much. And I’m a huge fan, as I’m sure you are of minimizing starches and sugars and maximizing fats in your diet. But I’ve gotten away from the bulletproof approach to coffee because I like coffee too much. I like the flavor. And if I actually had enough fat to make it quote, unquote, bulletproof, it masks the flavor too much. So I have a tendency to get my fat in other sources like you know, avocados and bacon and yeah, here’s like that. I’ve actually

Speaker 2 11:29
gravitated more towards that recently. You know, when we were in your office this morning at peak brain, you guys were making coffee and it smelled so good. I was like, I’ve gotta have something and I actually been drinking it black today, but but normally I would do I do a french press at home. So for a full French press. I do about 20 grams of ghee and one tablespoon. Okay, Brain Octane. Okay, so it’s not the full heavy load that half of like they would suggest, yeah, it’s enough to get, you know, my vitamin K to and all that good stuff from the ghee in those fats, but not enough to make it taste like butter and less like coffee that because I’m a huge fan of coffee. I just love coffee. Yeah, me too. I

Speaker 1 12:10
wake up in the morning with way too much blood and my caffeine stream. So tell me what else you do to biohack personally, I mean, I’m assuming you’re taking silt up. You’re doing you know, doctored coffee to get the good fats and to have stable blood sugar and good, you know, MCT sort of brain metabolism being supported. What else are you doing day to day as a biohacking intervention beyond just living in a momentum sort of lifestyle? Yeah,

Speaker 2 12:33
I think there’s there’s so many things we could talk about in a sense of like daily practices or habits that I don’t know people would necessarily consider biohack

Speaker 1 12:43
a liquidy. man Yeah, one of the things that just lifestyle versus so I think, you know, I

Speaker 2 12:47
have a morning routine, okay. And for me, you know, I tried to I tried to make my day my own I tried to dictate my day, as opposed to so many people wake up and the first thing they do is they check their email and to me that automatically puts you in a reactive or syllabus of scenario. So you know, I’m not checking my email on my smartphone while I’m still laying in bed. Okay, good. Good. You know, I don’t do that. I actually won’t check email until I do until I accomplish the first thing the one thing that’s on my to do list for that day. Okay. So to me biohacking is less about how many things can I add on to like what I do as much as it is about how can I achieve maximal happiness productivity, efficiency, motivation, whatever so life hacking, not just body biohacking? Yeah, I’m not I’m not biohacking to collect. Things to do. Yeah. Now every once in a while, I will do some experiments. And currently for the sake of our podcast, I’m experimenting with a P EMF, pulsed electromagnetic field Delta sleeper, okay. So that’s a little it’s like a two inch by two inch square that I put below my clavicle bone. Yeah. And and I use that to induce delta waves and fall asleep faster.

Speaker 1 14:03
So work on the chest because it’s hitting the vagus nerve or what’s the is it supposed to be the brachial? Okay. Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 2 14:12
And so I’m doing that I played with the ketones for a podcast that we did with dominant D’Agostino. Let’s see. I’m testing some some heart rate variability, measurements to assess recovery and readiness, okay, which I think is phenomenal. I have not found the hardware yet that I like. Yep, that’s yeah,

Unknown Speaker 14:32
that’s a big issue with HRV. I have the same problem. I’ve

Speaker 2 14:34
played with quite a few that the chest strap for me is a pain in the butt because you have to get it wet. I’m not going to sleep with it on right so that means I have to wake up get it wet. slap it on somehow. I’m not a huge fan of that. I’m playing with a finger sensor right now that hooks up. Just like in the hospital when you have a shirt and it hooks straight into the hill is the most reliable but they aren’t necessarily easy to manage. It’s actually not it takes me anywhere from right now five to 20 minutes every morning to get a sign I was reading Oh, really? Okay. Which that’s not sustainable for me. I will do it temporarily. But, you know, the data is invaluable, but it’s kind of a pain in the butt to deal with that right now.

Unknown Speaker 15:11
Yeah. Have you tried the either the aura ring or the Beddit? Strip?

Speaker 2 15:14
That’s the aura ring is next on my list. I actually have not heard about that until recently. Yeah.

Speaker 1 15:18
But then Ben Greenfield introduced me to the IRS seems like an interesting device. Yeah. That’s how that’s how I was introduced to it. introduces a lot of things to people is all about them being the ambassador. So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 15:28
So I think those would be kind of like little hacks that I’m doing. But I think going back to like, what I was saying about practices and habits, and, you know, so So I’m a big, you know, to me, productivity is a big thing. And some of the productivity hacks that I employ, you know, I don’t check email often. I try not to, I’m not as good at that.

Speaker 1 15:49
How many times a day do you plan at least to check email to deal with you know,

Speaker 2 15:53
the plan is like, three to five, okay. Sometimes it’s like

Speaker 1 15:57
late morning, midday, mid afternoon, and then don’t be stressed about reacting. Yeah,

Speaker 2 16:01
so I’m a yellow legal pad guy, I Oh, wow. I cannot live without that. I write everything down on that. Every single day, I have a to do list written on there. Okay. And then on the right side, I have my one thing that if nothing else gets done, I do this thing, because I had a mentor coach early on, and he used the analogy of football, and 3.4 yards per play. His name is Paul Reddick. And if you play football, if you’re familiar with the game, then you know that it takes 10 yards to get a first down. And as long as you don’t get to fourth down, you never have to punt. And if they never stop you, you know you’re scoring a touchdown. So the goal of the game is to score points team with most points wins. Sure, sure. So if you average 3.4 yards of play, you win, essentially, or you leave it all down the field always moving the ball down the field, you’re always getting first downs and that’s, you know, to me life and whether it’s business or whether it’s working on neurofeedback, you know, if I’m a client of yours, and I’m working neurofeedback, the thing that you want to see from me is progress that I’m right, when I’m doing the work, I’m focusing on the actions, not the outcomes to get there. Yep. And so for me, it’s like that one thing that I write down on my to do list, that’s my 3.4 yards, if nothing else happens on this day, I got that done. And I do it first thing in the morning.

Speaker 1 17:14
So you still you’re still moving the ball every single day. You’re still making progress. Yeah. And then

Speaker 2 17:18
everything that I get accomplished after that for the rest of the day is gravy. Right? Right, right. You know, so I won’t check email until after that. I do that one thing. So kind of out of order here. But I wake up, I actually drink a morning detox drink every morning. Okay, we can talk about that in a minute. But as I’m drinking, that, I’m drinking that as my coffee is brewing. Sure. And I go outside and I sit, I’ve got a front porch swing, and I sit there if it’s nice, if it’s not, I’ll sit down quietly inside, I do breath work, I kind of set my intentions for the day. Sometimes it’s gratitude journaling. Sometimes it’s, you know, I’ve got this thing where I randomly if I’m in a bad mood, I feel better when I check on other people or send encouragement to other people. You know, so send a text to like five people and say, you know, hey, you got this or like, Hey, you crossed my mind thinking about you, whatever, whatever you want to say to the people who are in your life. So do that, that takes about five minutes, go inside, get my coffee, go to my desk, knock out that one thing. Yep. And typically, it’s, you know, all that’s accomplished by at 830 in the morning. And, like, my days, it’s done. It’s not done, but like, I’ve had a productive day. And it’s really only just starting, and you know, you build momentum, you’re focused. And then you just roll from there. That’s wonderful.

Speaker 1 18:38
So that’s the first hour, hour and a half, two hours a day. And I’m guessing that you aren’t sitting on back and resting on your laurels the rest of the day. No, it’s

Speaker 2 18:46
I have, I call it like the the entrepreneur versus employee mindset, where a lot of employees, they look at, how can I make time pass? Right? Like, if you work an eight to five, you go into the office, and it’s like, okay, how little can I do between eight and five? And make that time pass and get out? No, that’s not everybody, but just

Speaker 1 19:08
some jobs? Sure, sure. You’re marking time versus accomplishing tasks, right. And for

Speaker 2 19:13
me, it’s completely opposite. It’s okay, how much can I possibly get done? And I think that’s why I gravitated towards the whole biohacking movement when it first, you know, kind of exploded onto the scene was, wow, there’s other people out there that think like me that want to get as much done as possible. I want to move forward, I want to do, you know, be involved with as many amazing projects as possible. I mean, you’ve got a lot going on, you have a lot of different, a lot of plates spinning, so to speak. Yeah. And it was it was cool to realize that there were other people like that and that there are people optimizing that and learning how to be better and more efficient and all that. So nice,

Speaker 1 19:46
very cool. Either switch a diet for a second, we should always talk about diet and these kinds of podcasts. I’m guessing you’re pretty congruent with the way that I tend to eat which is essentially leaning, minimizing all starches and sugar as maximizing fats, but beyond that general rule, which I’m guessing is not a big surprise to most people who are in this space, what sorts of things do you adhere to? What have you found is really effective for cognitive, supporting good, our continued effort and cognitive output? And what have you found? Can like, throw, you know, what are your big like, Oh, I did this today. And I’m going to have two days of fog or yeah, let’s production?

Speaker 2 20:23
That’s a good question. So, background on me, my degree is actually Food Science and Human Nutrition. Okay. If I done an internship after college, I would be an RD. Okay. But I had that chance to become a model and it was, you know, do I want to be an intern and pay to learn things that I already know that I don’t agree with? Right? Or do I want to try to get paid to lift weights? And you know, like, alright, well, that was, that was a no brainer. Yeah. So, you know, in school right away, you know, the curriculum was was split into two different sides. One side was the nutrition and the programming, the community type stuff, how do you teach? What do you what are you telling people to do? The other side was the science based stuff, okay? So in the science based classes, we took them all, microbiology, biochemistry, or chemistry, you name it, I took it. And in those classes, you learn how the body works. And as a scientist, you’ve been there, you know, and if you understand systems, then you know how you can manipulate them and bend them to achieve whatever you want to achieve. So I’m sitting in these classes, and that’s just kind of how my brain works anyways, I’m always thinking about it like that. And then I go into the, you know, the nutrition classes, and we’ve got, you know, an overweight, unhealthy looking teacher saying, avoid fat. Well, all foods fit, you know, it’s okay to drink a can of Pepsi, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I’m like, no, like, Yeah, I know, you wouldn’t be saying this, if Kraft or Nabisco or General Mills was not paying for, you know, the programming, right. So, so right away, I saw the influence of big food in, you know, everything that was going on, but, you know, I am a minimal effective dose for carbohydrates. Okay, proponent?

Speaker 1 22:07
What is that? What does that mean for you, effectively, I mean, women are effective. I

Speaker 2 22:11
say it that way, because I want to try to clearly communicate that I’m not, no, I’m not no carb. I’m not anti carbs. I realized that like the ketogenic diet has a ton of amazing benefits. And I follow it myself. Most of the time, I do intermittent fasting, and a majority of the time ketogenic, I will have carbs, you can I guess you could call it a cyclical ketogenic I don’t get caught up on, you know, labeling it or what it has to do. Sure. I am also a strength athlete, right. And when I talked to dominant Augustino, and Mike Nelson on our show, you know, they were in agreement with me that the more often and this is, this is how I define minimum effective dose as well. The more often you’re training at a high intensity, the higher the intensity, and the more frequently you do it, the greater your need physiologically for carbon. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. And so it’s impossible for me to say how many carbs or how frequently you need carbs? Without knowing that? Yep. So that, to me, that’s the determining factor.

Speaker 1 23:14
Okay. So it’s all about the glycogen reserve and muscles, essentially, that you’re stripping away with intense exercise, essentially.

Speaker 2 23:19
And if we can have so so Mike Nelson is a big proponent of what he calls metabolic flexibility, the ability to go back and forth between either carbohydrates or fats as a fuel source. And with Dom, it was the same thing. You know, he doesn’t necessarily call it that. But you know, if we are healthy, and not dysfunctional than we can do that, right. And if you are generally fat adapted, you know, that’s kind of where we want to stay. That’s where we want to live. But for somebody like me, or for somebody who may be even more frequently, you know, I’m certainly not a competitive CrossFit athlete. But if I was doing CrossFit five or six times a week, I’m going to need carbs more often than once or twice a week. But the idea is that we want to keep so for me, I look at it as time under the insulin curve. Great. That’s what we want to that’s what we want to minimize, not only in an acute, like daily, weekly, monthly setting, but over our lifetime. So our interest I know as soon as I say that you you can visualize it. Sure, yeah. But if somebody’s not a scientist, if you look going from left to right, you know, as time goes, as time elapses, you’re moving left to right on a graph. Insulin will increase or spike following the ingestion of carbohydrates because they’re always no matter how good quote unquote good the carbs are, they’re always broken down into glucose. That’s the usable form of energy. With glucose, we get an insulin spike. That’s how it clears your blood. And that as that spike is up, the longer it’s up, then you have what we would call like area under that curve on the graph. So that’s actually time under the insulin curve. We want to minimize that upon, like I said, on a daily, weekly, monthly and lifetime basis, so, you know, as Mark Sisson says it you want, you want to burn as much burn as little sugar over your lifetime as possible. You know, and I say, you know, minimum effective dose. So if you’re, if you’re so so you do some people do need carbohydrates and if we hadn’t them, if we eat them, you know, we want to, we want to get that window up and then close it as quickly as we can and get back to, you know, fats for fuel source, minimizing that time under the insulin curve. So, so for me, it’s, it’s almost like the default setting is being fat adapted or ketogenic or whatever. And then, you know, having carbs, when you need them, you know, as needed.

Speaker 1 25:44
Sure enough, from my perspective, I would sort of conceptualize that as remaining insulin sensitive and keeping yourself sensitive to the oscillatory signal of insulin and the signal that goes up when you have sugars and goes down when you don’t. And so for you, it’s about not pegging insulin keeping it up. From my perspective, the lack of variability of signaling molecules in the brain and body means that the systems receiving that signal become less sensitive to the signal. And that’s one of the things that leads to degradation in cortisol and insulin, everything else. Yeah. But the way that I typically manage that is just minimizing carbs. Unless I’m maximizing carbs. I sort of have a you know, I’m perfect 80% of the time. Yeah. And then you know, we have ice cream on those other days. But for you, it sounds more like you’re thinking about the the length of exposure, if you will, to the sugar signal. When do you do your carbs? Is it right after you workout hard, you have empty muscles and your refeeding that 50 grams of glycogen that you can take in? Or are you doing it before sleep for GH Bert boot bursts? Or when

Speaker 2 26:45
I do it personally, is different than when I recommend it for most people, okay. And that’s only because like I said, I do intermittent fasting. And I What does that mean for you? Is that a window of eating or I typically eat one meal a day, okay, mid mid day kind of thing, midday somewhere between two and 4pm. Okay, so so that’s why I say what I do, like, I’m not going to recommend that to other people know if other people do it. Great. Okay, here’s how we can do it. But I realized that most people will hear that and they’re like, Oh, that’s weird. So, for me, it’s just if it’s going to be a carb day, then I have them in that meal. Okay, so it’s really easy for me to figure out when to have them, right, because I’m eating once. Yeah. No, that’s not to say like, you know, there are anomalies or there’s days where our travel like today, we may have a small lunch and then a small dinner. And I’ll just basically have two meals that take what I would normally eat divided into two. But But yes, I think for me, I think about it as a window. And it’s, if I had to put a time on it, it’s probably a 20 hour fast and a four hour feeding window. If it’s one meal, it’s usually like an hour feeding window. So you know, I would have my carbs then. And then, you know, for other people, I think later in the day, we know we’re better able to handle carbohydrates later in the day, I’m a big proponent of not having carbs with breakfast, okay, we know what the hormonal profile of our body looks like early in the day when we wake up and cortisol should be peaking. If we don’t mess with that, then you know, we get the growth hormone we get glucagon, we get ghrelin, and that cascade promotes fat loss. It promotes mental clarity. And it is actually muscle preserving with the growth hormone. So the other thing that we can do to really screw up our mornings, that way is to introduce carbohydrates because as we said earlier, you’re gonna have insulin, then you’re gonna have insulin present, when cortisol is at its high. And those two things don’t play nice, right? Those are the two storage hormones, one stress one storage and they don’t play nice that leads to cloudiness in your brain brain fog, as well as fat storage. So like the two things that basically define optimal performance, you’re you’re gonna screw up. Right,

Speaker 1 28:55
right. So so just so I understand, I’m actually not a biochemist. So when you spike insulin through dietary sugars, you suppress cortisol, it’s that direction it goes in,

Speaker 2 29:04
No, you wouldn’t suppress it, because so the cortisol peaking in the morning is what helps you get out of bed. And that’s basically our circadian rhythm. Sure, are your biological clock. So cortisol should actually be at its lowest around like 678 PM, and then it peaks at around 4am or something a little bit after that, actually, but it starts to rise at that time, and it will actually peak around 6788. Okay, and it’s different for everybody. But basically, it should kind of follow like, you know, the sun and dark schedule, but it peaks and then as long as we don’t do anything to disrupt that cortisol pathway, it’s going to slowly trend down from first thing in the morning until later in the evening. Now, anybody who has driven in LA traffic or works a desk job or basically lives the typical 2016 lifestyle, there’s so many things that disrupt cortisol, sure, but when cortisol and ends When are both present, they don’t play nicely. And you know, it does lead to that fat storage. So it’s not that it disrupts the cortisol pathway is much as just you just don’t want them both elevated it. So

Speaker 1 30:12
is the insulin more disrupting secondary things cortisol we producing I mean, I noticed the relationships between growth hormone for both cortisol and for insulin. Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:20
So if you do introduce insulin at that time in the morning, you’re going to prevent? Well, first of all, you would definitely prevent glucagon because of glucagon and insulin or inverse. And then you would not get the growth hormone release, you would not get ghrelin. Because you’re having the carbohydrates you’re having insulin secrete? Yep.

Speaker 1 30:38
Interesting. Hey, let’s go back to a second to the education thing you’re talking about. So you have a degree in food science? Yes. I’ve been seeing a lot of this. And of course, we’re both in this sort of biohacking world, we’re both focused on ways of eating, which, to a large extent, fly in the face of conventional wisdom for the past 50 years. Now, I think both you and I would agree that conventional wisdom is bullshit with regards to diet and nutrition. And I feel that it was bad marketing in the 70s and 80s, that really put us on this really bad path for obesity, diabetes, cancer, and even Alzheimer’s, which is really driven by blood sugar dysregulation to some extent. So I mean, you’re preaching to the choir here, but I come across people who are interested in doing dietician or nutritionist programs or studying, you know, biochemistry and food science. And they often get to meet people who I often interact with are believers of this paleo, primal keto approach. And they get very frustrated when they try to find that actual education program that has that mean, there is science out there showing that keto is pretty good for your brain, right? There’s no science out there, that’s actually good science that shows that fat is bad for your brain, at least not recently. And all the studies in the 70s 80s that showed fat was bad didn’t control for sugar. So it’s fat. And sugar is very, very bad. But sugar is kind of bad, in the absence of fat, and fat is not that at all in the absence of sugar. So I’m wondering if you as a sort of, you know, food scientist guy have discovered that there are there’s there’s a shift or not towards embracing, you know, some of the science around these high fat, low carbohydrate, low starch based diets? Are you seeing the field of Food Science shift at all, just still stuck? 2030 years ago,

Speaker 2 32:23
you know, I was so disenchanted with the academic world that I haven’t visited or seen it since I left college. What was that? That was 2008. Okay, so

Unknown Speaker 32:37
still pretty recent.

Speaker 2 32:38
And like I said, earlier in our talk, you know, when I was in school, we were taught one thing in the science classes, and then the nutrition curriculum was completely opposite of that. And that’s, you see this, as you put it, conventional wisdom, but it was clearly paid for by big food, then, which it was, you know, as we know, there was that New York Times article that came out a few weeks ago, you know, where the Harvard scientists were paid by the sugar industry, to fudge and say that, you know, it was fat, that was the enemy, not sugar, you know, and that set the precedent in the late 60s that formed the last half a century of what was taught what was promoted, you know, big food, the all the government regulations, it’s all opposite what we hear in paleo, keto, you know, new science worlds. So, you know, academia will always lag behind. Yes, cutting edge research, it just it has

Speaker 1 33:38
to, and marketing gets in the way gets stuck. I mean, we, you know, we think that fat is bad culturally in western size, because we’re told that on TV with every commercial for the past, you know, 30 years, right? By the same token, I’m a Brain guy. This feels very similar to this idea that we have a chemical imbalance in our brain, the chemical imbalance their mental illness is utter bunk. There’s there’s been no ever not one bit of shred of evidence that you can have a chemical imbalance, chemical imbalance in the brain or what happened right before you die, right? Like the only time you have a chemical imbalance is before you die, or when you have a seizure. Otherwise, it’s a regulatory domain. That’s very complicated. But the absolute level of a neurotransmitter is really meaningless unless you know everything else about the circuit, receptor density, phosphorylation, and even then, it’s very imperfect. This strikes me is that where it’s sort of thought to be true, but it’s really sort of secondary to what’s probably real well and

Speaker 2 34:29
it’s really frustrating because you know, you you can’t fight the government, right? You can’t fight big food. We’re doing a great job of you know, getting the whole grass fed the pasture raised, the all of that is growing. But the if if you still have that, I think it’s a generational thing to like, Sure, people my age and younger, are very inclined to you know, seek out their own information, seek out alternative sources, their their main source of of information input is not, you know, the local news at 6pm, where my parents generation and older, you know, that’s whatever, it whatever is said there or whatever my doctor says that’s gospel. Sure. That’s that’s an interesting thing. And it’s very hard to fight conventional wisdom in those demographics. Yeah. But but the younger generations and people who are more inclined to seek out information on their own. Yep. That information, we’re getting it out there. And I think we’re definitely making that change. And you’re seeing so many signs of that. I mean, you see, you know, whole foods are everywhere. Now you see things that are grocery stores and markets that are even, you know, on a higher level than the sheriff. Erawan

Speaker 1 35:40
exam routes is a sort of a lower end Whole Foods That is, you know, got more selections.

Speaker 2 35:45
So, so we see that we see, you know, there’s, there’s so many podcasts like this, there’s alternative education, you know, outlets, we’re getting it out there, people are interested in it, they want it but but in academia, that will always lag research, because you have to have follow up studies. You know, nobody’s going to teach anything until they’re sure of it. But also, you have to remember that those those programs are funded by the people that were basically trying to out or oust, you know, with with this new research. So I don’t see that changing without some kind of cataclysmic

Speaker 1 36:18
you might be right, although I will say my mom who is president says, I think she’s 68 Each paleo exercise three hours a day, and calls me for prasadam refills every three months.

Unknown Speaker 36:28
So where did she get that information?

Speaker 1 36:30
She got it because she have Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s in the family. And she’s very concerned. And I’m a neuroscientist. And so you know, she’s

Speaker 2 36:36
so my point is she got it got to me, she didn’t get it from you know, the look that news or right. So. So I think it’s up to us to continue to, you know, be relentless and tireless with what we’re doing sure to try to get that information out there, because it’s certainly not going to come from mainstream.

Speaker 1 36:51
So let’s speak more about sort of misinformation earlier and not to jump on you. Early. You mentioned the word detox. And for me, that’s a that’s a hot button term. What did you mean by essentially Doing a Detox drink every morning, tell me more about sort of what you’re doing there.

Speaker 2 37:06
I call it a detox drink. I’m not into detoxes or cleanses. I hate that stuff. Thank you, but it needed a name. And morning detox drink is what I call it, because really all it is. So originally, I’ve been doing this every morning for like seven, eight years. And Louise Gittleman first lady of nutrition, she is big on like fat, flush and detoxification. She was a big proponent of warm water. First thing in the morning guy with organic lemon juice, that warm water opens up the digestive system. You don’t want to wake up and drink ice cold water because everything will clench up. And that’s not a good way to start today. But lemon has a compound and de Linnaean which is highly researched. It has even anti cancer properties, but it also supports liver function. Yep. Which, you know, the liver is the body’s filtration system. So it can have detoxification properties, but it also helps with bio production. Yeah, the lemon and the D limini. which for those of us following a high fat diet is incredibly important. Yeah, because if we can’t metabolize the fat that you’re eating, you’re not really owns and all kinds of exactly. So so the drink is warm water with a tablespoon of organic lemon juice, a tablespoon of raw apple cider vinegar. I do a teaspoon of sea salt. Okay, some people can do a little bit less, it depends on your size. And then I do a dash of cayenne. So that’s my drink. I didn’t have a name for myself so so that’s where morning detox drink came from. I certainly don’t see it as like a cleanse. Yeah. But you know, the the Benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar Are you know, they’re widespread, they’re huge. The salt helps up regulate blood pressure every morning,

Speaker 1 38:49
Monica, pulling that water into your cells get the salt, and

Speaker 2 38:52
that actually protects the adrenals which you know, in our life, again, anything we can do to protect adrenal function. Sure helps. And the Cayenne has metabolic enhancing properties. And, you know, so I just I drink that and it wakes me up. It’s wonderful. It’s not caffeine. There’s nothing wrong with caffeine. But yeah, it has a whole lot of health promoting.

Speaker 1 39:17
I’m glad you didn’t fall down to the side of actually st was detoxing cells. I mean, of course, as you probably know, there is no way to you can you cannot put toxins in your body to clear out you know things but you can accelerate the natural process of removing toxins from cells. It’s just happening all the time. And if you drink, you know, special drinks or do special diets, you’re not going to actually clear things out of your system. It’s sort of falls into that category of things like quantum or temperature in your brain or other sort of urban legends of biohacking that just aren’t remotely true. And so

Unknown Speaker 39:46
well, I’ll enlist your help to help me come up with a new name.

Speaker 1 39:48
All right there. Yeah, there we go. Cool. So um, you’re you’re you’re flying around the world. You’re doing all kinds of things. I’m just curious. I mean, you’re here in LA it’s a Friday morning. What are the past week or so look like in terms of where were, you know, who have you seen? Where have you been? What kind of ventures have you had? I mean, how many different directions are you moving in, in this? You know, sort of evangelist biohacker, kind of Chief Visionary kind of perspective you have.

Speaker 2 40:12
Yeah. So it’s been crazy. Let’s see, last weekend was actually a weekend at home. So I’m trying to go back to last Friday, that was that was probably my first weekend at home with my wife in a long time. So we both enjoyed that tremendously. The weekend before that, I was in Austin, Texas at an event called the Vanguard. Okay. And one of our natural sex co founder and I, Ben, were there. And that was a 48 hour basically the ultimate man camp. Okay, but there were females there as well. So

Unknown Speaker 40:46
I think the ultimate men camp includes women.

Speaker 2 40:48
Well said, you know, but that’s an event run by some special forces guys, okay, and some of their friends. And it’s a really cool thing that they have. It’s basically their circle of friends. And what they’ve done is they have it I have not been lucky enough to be introduced to the SPT. Oh, sure. Yeah, but it sounds sounds similar. It’s a very similar thing there where you have this group of high performers, and each one has their own skill set that they bring to the group. And as a collective group, they’re getting better by focusing, you know, you’re becoming a more well rounded individual by attacking, and learning where you’re weak and bringing those things up to the strengths. So, you know, we did 90 minute instructional blocks on some survival skills, land navigation, butchery, so we actually butchered our own chickens on Friday, and then we had them for dinner on Saturday. So you know, you really get to see where your food comes from. It’s a very intimate relationship with your food. And I mean, as a hunter, I’ve had that experience before. But never

Speaker 1 41:47
a lot of people don’t have the reference of where their meats coming from. Exactly. They’re able to ignore lots of things political health wise, you know, around this thing, that meeting so yeah,

Speaker 2 41:58
so back to your question. I mean, that was that was a really a cool experience to be around people who are, they’re high performers in their own right, but they’re also they’re not getting complacent. And they’re, they’re always pushing to try to get better. So to get to be around people like that is phenomenal. They also own two of those guys who run that on a gym called atomic athlete in Austin, Texas. Okay, amazing gym. So that’s where I lived when I’m in Austin. One of the cool things about traveling like I do is I get to create these relationships almost in every major city. So I know people that run amazing facilities in every city. So I know, I know where I float. When I’m in Austin, I know where I float. When I’m in LA. I know you know which gym I go to. So just on this LA trip, we got out here Tuesday night, saw you Wednesday morning, we got the baseline readings on the EEG. went from there to a gym here called Deuce gym, which was actually the epicenter of the butter coffee. Oh, really? Bulletproof stuff. That’s their story. I can introduce you to maybe apocryphal, but that’s okay. Yeah. And so we did that we did something else we were we were at Erawan, which is one of those stores where we were doing staff training, so that they’re better able to educate the customers, we did a demo, I got to run into a bunch of people who are other influencers at Erawan. You know, we were back with you. Meeting with some other champions and ambassadors this afternoon will be a bulletproof coffee shop. There’s a home show tomorrow where I’m meeting with Klaus a guy from Samina beds, which is the world’s healthiest bed. It’s just everybody who’s into some aspect of health and wellness and fitness optimization. You know, we’re lucky enough to have interactions with them. And every time we travel, I’m like, okay, who’s out there? Yeah, that I have a relationship with and then let’s, let’s touch base with him what stay in contact and, you know, foster those relationships? Yeah, I

Speaker 1 43:59
mean, I was on your RBBB recorded an audio podcast two weeks ago or something and then I can see it twice this week. When you’re in LA, should we talk about if you pull back the covers a little on your on your brain? For our listeners, let’s do it. Alright, nice. So for folks that have either seen the show or are familiar with quantitative EEG, this is an assessment process we do, which compares one person’s brain to a normative database, essentially, and you end up with heat maps, you know, statistics that say how unusual your brain is. We did yours a couple days ago. Totally clean, no caffeine, no cell tap, and your brain looked a little bit inattentive. Essentially, it was really healthy overall. I haven’t seen many many more things. If you see Ben’s show, you’ll see that there’s it’s it was pretty horrible to start. But your brain Ryan was actually really quite intact performance. No anxiety markers, no sleep issues, no head injuries, really pretty clean, except you made about two to three standard deviations, higher amounts of alpha waves, eyes open and eyes closed than the average person who’s your age or gender etc. Now what that probably translates to functionally, he’s a little bit of in attention getting stuck in being spacey, you might even have been called something like add, you know, 2030 years ago we don’t use that label anymore for that problem but inattentive essential and it’s had some issues with Shift shifting attention being stuck in neutral a little spacey, my wife would agree with what she, she she listened as laughing as we speak probably. And then today you came in and we did exactly the same thing. Another QE G resting baseline is nothing fancy, but you had built up in your system. And the difference was all of the Alpha excess is dropped by about a standard deviation. Now to put that in context, when we actually make changes in brains with neurofeedback, which is one of the things that permanently change the brain, we get about one to two standard deviations and about three months of aggressive training. And with one dose of siltech Probably not a permanent change, obviously, but you gotta you got a baseline shift of equivalent to a month or two of hardcore work on your brain. So I think that, you know, it’s an n of one, of course, we should maybe talk about doing a little bit larger ends. But but this is how you do research is you first see what happens on the individual level. Your brainwaves are, you know, essentially self blinding, because you can’t control them. And we saw a statistically significant change dropping excess alpha, meaning that you would should you should, I would assume I feel more, Chris, more alert, more engaged. And that’s sort of what you described the effects of cell type in general, anyways, pretty snazzy sense of engagement versus maybe checking out a little bit.

Speaker 2 46:30
Yeah. And I mean, I was hoping that that’s what we would see. Till we do it, you don’t know. And right, I was really, really excited to see those results. And, you know, the interesting thing to me is that I only take one pill and the dose versus low dose. Yeah, the dose for cell type is three pills. And I’ve just seen over experimentation over the years that I actually do best with one pill. So it’d be interesting to see, like you said, with a an N larger than one. So we’ll definitely talk about that. I think that’s something that as a company, we want to pursue, you know, research and quantification and all of that stuff. So we are actually underway with some clinical trials now. But as you know, those take a long time they

Speaker 1 47:11
do. They’re complicated, they’re expensive, they’re there, they’re so time consuming. And then your data is never quite what you want it to be when you’re done. Yeah. And

Speaker 2 47:19
for us, it’s going to be 18 months to two years before we have that result, which

Unknown Speaker 47:23
is a fast study. That is a fast human study.

Speaker 2 47:26
We actually the guy leading it is the world’s leading researcher on PDE. Four. Oh, and because that perfectionism of actually Sure, yeah, that’s, that’s the way we went with that. But I think that’s probably all I can say on the study for now. But we want something that’s, you know, faster to get the results out. And then I think with with some EEG readings, that would be amazing. But, you know, it’s funny that you mentioned, you know, the, I guess, seeing the original brain scan, one of the one without siltech was was, I guess, not? I don’t wanna say valuable, but validating sure me Yeah, because it’s like, that’s, I know, you know, my, I tend to be very fast thinking, I tend to definitely see things kind of big picture. And I’m very, you know, it’s very hard to hold my attention. For a long time. I’m, I’m just curious, I want to know, as much as I can, I want to move quickly. And that’s pretty much what the brain scan shows it

Speaker 1 48:18
did. And sometimes seeing these patterns, your brain goes, Oh, this is not a function of my willpower. I’m not just being lazy. My brain is oriented or tuned to do specific things better, and some other things not as well. I think that the QED process can often often be very validating, it’s like, oh, great, there’s my strength. Here’s some weaknesses. It’s real. It’s not a function of willpower or failure. Or, you know, we suppose that a broken leg, you don’t go, why aren’t you running down the block? But if somebody has an attention, it’s like, why don’t you pay attention? We don’t see the invisible brain things as valid physical things, until we actually look at brain activity and say, Oh, well, here’s your inattention. Or here’s your impulsivity. Here’s your sleep issue. I think we’re very, you know, grounding in terms of thinking about what your how your performance levels can be, can vary. Yeah.

Speaker 2 49:02
And I think you said something really valuable for listeners is that, you know, back to what we were saying in the beginning, you know, we’re looking at, like life hacks and longterm hacks, habits, practices, you know, that’s definitely where Neurofeedback would fall in your you’re doing something that changes your brain, you know, beyond just short term or transient nootropics give you that short term that Yep, that transient. Okay, we changed it today. That’s a state not a trait. Absolutely. And it’s, it’s amazing to see that silt up can can produce that that state shift state that we want on a single day, with a single dose, even a single pill. Yep. But combining that with something like Neurofeedback to where you’re getting that long term shift of, you know, not a state but a trait. That could be really, really powerful.

Speaker 1 49:55
And there might be something with PD for actually enhancing I mean, there’s neurofeedback is learning, it’s just basic learning Right. I mean, we’re doing some fancy things to tell the brain what to learn. But it’s not tapping into some magical technique. It’s really just tapping into long term potentiation. PD for so there might be something where we get accelerated gains, you know, there’s a there’s an ashtanga yoga studio right next to my Neurofeedback center. And I find when people do both hardcore exercise and brain training, they seem to have faster changes in the brain.

Speaker 2 50:22
Well, I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that, that you as a neuroscientist, you know that exercise can increase BDNF massively. Yeah, brain derived neurotrophic factors, neurogenesis, you get brain, you know, new, basically new brain cells. And, you know, there’s studies that show just walking for 20 minutes increased brain activity, which potentiate, you know, learning or insult. So, you know, Thomas Edison, I love a quote from him that says the main function of the body is to carry the brain around. And, you know, movement and optimal brain health are not independent things. Yep, absolutely. You, You very rarely, I’m sure there are exceptions, but very rarely will you see people that are operating on a high level that are ignoring one or the other,

Speaker 1 51:05
right? I mean, if you are sedentary or not physically active, I mean, I’m a gerontologist. And we often think about minimum level of physical activity to avoid risk factors burgeoning. And for cardiovascular risk, which of course, is is involved heavily in aging as well as young sort of health. I think the current guesstimate is less than 7000 steps per day is a health risk to the cardiovascular system equivalent to a two pack a cigarette habit a day. I have not heard that. That’s crazy. So if you’re sitting on your butt watching TV, you know, if you’re, you know, using your mind using your attention and staying effort to engage mentally if your body is not if the cardiovascular system isn’t being stretched and challenged by your, your your activity, that it’s actually a cardiovascular risk. I’m

Speaker 2 51:50
looking at my Fitbit right now what’s what’s your? Well, I’m looking at my steps, I’ve only taken 1900 steps, oh, I need about 5000 more steps. But it’s interesting. My wife got one of these recently, and I was so like, jealous of her having that data all the time. All right, I gotta get one of those. But I will probably get that aura ring instead. Because that will give me the same stuff, but also the HRV, which, to me, that’s the more valuable information. But it is kind of fun to look at steps. And, you know, it’s interesting that, you know, I would consider myself fairly active. I know that when I ran the gym, and I was on my feet and moving, I was a lot more active than I am now. You know, standing at a desk, most of the time, I do my best to stand up. I know that that doesn’t do a whole lot, but at least I’m standing instead of sitting. Okay, but for me to get 7000 steps, I probably averaged between five and 7000 5000 used to the old number to avoid the decline with age. So it’s just it’s interesting. North of five, definitely, yeah. But to me, like looking at my data, I know for me that that’s close to like three to four miles a day. But if you think evolutionary humans are supposed to walk at least three to four miles a day. I mean, we we’ve done that for, you know, how many 1000s of years only until the last 100 years. And you know that

Speaker 1 53:06
for 100,000 years, we’ve been walking everywhere and for our 100 years have been sitting on our butts and

Speaker 2 53:11
to scale that’s, you know, such an insignificant portion of time, and it’s not enough time for our bodies to adapt.

Speaker 1 53:17
Evolution has not occurred in the past 100 years now, on humans, we haven’t evolved to generations didn’t change anything, not at all. Well, actually, they did not not fundamental things, just expression, like you know, you are experiencing metabolic species of chemicals, based on the stressors your parents experienced and your grandparents experienced, turning on certain genes. Right, but grossly, there has not been a change in the human creature for 10s of 1000s of years. Right. So yeah,

Speaker 2 53:47
and that’s, I guess, to me, that was kind of like the eye opener where it’s like, wow, you know, three or four miles. You should shouldn’t be doing that. Yeah, very, very easily.

Speaker 1 53:56
All right, let’s let’s let’s get we’re coming to the end of our hour here. But let’s first ask you do you have any general advice or takeaways for people when you’re you’re talking in this biohacking brain health, body health performance space? What are some of the bits of wisdom you love to drop or a just single piece of advice that you think is important to a prospective shift? actual item, whatever it is, but what are some things you always are going to make sure to tell people this? I think, to me,

Speaker 2 54:21
it would be on the on the perspective shift side, okay. I just, I just want every single person to to take control of their own life to realize like, for me, we get we get one go with this thing and my biggest fear is getting to the end of it. And not having experienced something, okay, I don’t want to have I hate that, like no regrets, or you only live once. Right, but you know, it’s so true. I mean, I want my life to be filled with as many amazing experiences as possible. I want to learn as much as possible. I want to share that with you know, the greatest people you know, that I can possibly serve. surround myself with. And so I guess my advice or the one thing that I would want people to know is just you know, you are in control, you know, you captain your own ship, make this life as great as you can. And I think adopting that or living that mindset for me, makes biohacking something that I want to do, because it helps me optimize that experience. Absolutely. So that’s what

Speaker 1 55:24
I would say. That’s great. Well, thanks so much, Ryan. Um, can you tell our listeners where they can find you where they can get involved and, and figure out the different projects you’re working on and project products you’re working on? Yeah. Where can they hunt you down?

Speaker 2 55:36
So personally, on Instagram is Ryan Muncie underscore, I’m on Facebook, but most of what I’m working on, you will find through the optimal performance podcast. And that is, it’s pretty good. Yeah, we have some great high profile guests on there. But optimal performance podcast, and then natural stacks is the company and at natural stacks on all social media. All the cool stuff that we’re working on, you’ll hear about through there, either on the newsletter or on the podcast.

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So Ryan, Muncie underscoring Instagram or at natural stacks and all social media can check Ryan out asking questions, I’m sure he’d love to hear from you about your own individual brain journey. And if you’re using cell tap, or if you’re doing different physical things, I’m sure like you’re sort of a scientist the way I am. And you’re always want to find what individuals are doing that’s really working because everyone’s their own little testbeds. Yeah, absolutely. Great. Well, Ryan, thanks so much for coming on the show today, and I’m sure we’ll be working in the future together. Folks, this has been another episode of headfirst with Dr. Hill. Keep to take care of those brains and we’ll talk to you soon


Ryan Munsey

Ryan is a former fitness model and gym owner turned writer, speaker, and biohacker. He’s a mental and physical performance specialist with a degree in Food Science & Human Nutrition from Clemson University. An avid hunter, you’ll often find him in the woods.

Ryan has a diverse background that combines fitness, entrepreneurship, writing, speaking, and biohacking. His degree in Food Science & Human Nutrition from Clemson University suggests a strong foundation in understanding the relationship between nutrition and human health. As a former fitness model and gym owner, he likely gained practical experience in the fitness industry.

His transition to being a writer and speaker suggests a desire to share his knowledge and experiences with a wider audience. This could involve topics related to mental and physical performance, biohacking, and possibly even nutrition. Biohacking often involves experimenting with lifestyle changes, supplements, and technology to optimize one’s physical and mental well-being.