Ep15 - Biohacking Cancer with Eric Remensperger

Eric Remensperger has been a practicing attorney for over 30 years, and casual biohacker until he discovered his Stage IV cancer and began an exploration of the science and treatment possibilities available to him. Learn about how he returned to health.

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After practicing law for more than three decades, Eric Remensperger was a casual biohacker until he was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer. This diagnosis prompted him to delve into the realm of science and treatment options available to him, leading to his journey back to health.

The podcast with Eric Remensperger covers:

-Biohacking and cancer treatment with Eric Rendsburg.
-Alternative health practices and wellness journey.
-Cancer diagnosis and treatment options.
-Cancer causes and treatment with a focus on oxygen respiration and mitochondria.
-Ketosis and its therapeutic potential for cancer treatment.
-Cancer, nutrition, and traditional Chinese medicine.
-Holistic health and oxidative stress therapies.
-Cancer treatment and diet.
-Alternative cancer treatments and exercises.
-Oxygen therapy for cancer treatment.
-Breathing techniques and cancer diagnosis.
-Cancer treatment and mindfulness practices.
-Cancer treatment and prevention strategies.
-Alternative cancer treatments and self-hacking.

Speaker 1 0:07
Welcome to another episode of headfirst with Dr. Hill. Today’s guest is Eric Rendsburg. Eric is a practicing attorney, been attorney about 30 years and he’s been a biohacker and wellness freak for about 20 of those years. And Eric will tell us about this. But he was diagnosed with stage four cancer after he was deep into the biohacking world. And he took all that knowledge and pointed it at how to hack his own cancer free state. So welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us.

Unknown Speaker 0:33
Thank you, Andrew, thank you so much for having me. It’s my pleasure.

Speaker 1 0:36
Great. So tell us a little about your history. Who are you? How did you find yourself? I mean, you and I met because you’re, again a biohacking freak. But how did you start this this journey?

Speaker 2 0:48
Yes. And actually, just before I get into my journey, I wanted to mention that I discovered peak brain and you on a podcast I was listening to I think it was Luke’s story. And I remember which one it was because you’ve been on several and I think I’ve heard all of them. And I thought they um, this guy really knows his stuff. And this sounds very interesting. And I gotta check it out. But just kind of stepping back, I can give you a little bit history. I I was as far from healthy as you could possibly be. Okay, until I was about 40 years old. And I lived in New York until 1995. I was a practicing attorney starting in 1984. So for about 10 years. And I was a heavy smoker, two packs a day, I was a heavy drinker, I was a workaholic. I was work hard play hard. That was my life. And it was about three years before I moved to Los Angeles in 1995, that I stopped smoking cigarettes and started working out dabbling in it. And it was after I took the California bar exam in 1995. That in the firm I was working at which actually had its headquarters in LA and I was working on the New York office before I moved out here wouldn’t allow me to take any time off to study for the bar. So I basically took an hour and a half of my day. And I studied for the bar and it was an hour and a half where I wasn’t working. And I wasn’t at home with my family, kids and it wasn’t with my friends and it was my own half every day. And after the bar exam, I decided I was going to take that hour and a half and just go to the gym. It was gonna be my time I wanted to do something for myself, I really wanted to try to get physically good shape, I was never physically fit. So that’s what I did. And I became a gym rat. Okay, never missed a day even it was two in the morning I wanted 25 fitness, I would go to the gym. And I was on the men’s health diet, which is you know, protein, right, whole grains, no fat, lots of protein, protein and you possibly do that with your My Aplex eight after work. And I got to be physically very fit, but I just wasn’t healthy. I was having some chronic health problems. And it was about 1997 When I discovered a doctor of Chinese medicine, who really kind of turned me on to kind of more energetic emotional blockages, other aspects that affect health. That got me thinking outside the box, because prior to that, I didn’t really think there was much to anything other than what the mainstream was was offering. And so I I actually invested in an open a Wellness Center here in Los Angeles, which was over about four years and that kind of just got my fire started. And then I just went down this really kind of crazy path of mostly diet based stuff and I just studied everything. I was a vegan for a while. I was raw primal for a while, which I didn’t know you could do that. There was a guy named Arjuna Spanner planet who was a proponent of this diet that was basically raw meat, raw dairy, raw eggs, raw cheese, raw honey, not a lot of vegetables. This was his diet and raw meat. Yeah. And actually had adjutants at my house a few times and had dinner over and kind of was in that diet for a while. And I didn’t think the people that I met at his potlucks looked all that healthy. So I kind of migrated more into a paleo diet. And that is this is before paleo was known as paleo, but that’s basically when I was doing my primary diet. And I was also looking into other versions of wellness including I got very active in yoga and yoga became my passion and I do a lot of yoga. I’ve done a lot of yoga. I was doing I did the Bikram for 60 days straight, that sort of thing back when I was doing Bikram and so that kind of got me started. And I know when of course when podcasts came out and I discovered kind of all these crazy, you know biohacking things I do. I got into that space, but I stayed more on the, the what I would consider the natural, holistic, no technology, I wouldn’t wear a Fitbit or blue light glasses, but I I do wear blue blockers now at home at one of my computer but I was mostly in kind of the dietary and the movement and the exercise and breathing techniques and that sort of thing. And that’s where I was up until 2016. And I was actually going to a lot of conferences. I was going to the Bulletproof Conference, I was going to pale effects conference. And it was actually at the Paleo FX conference in 2016. When I started having some physical illnesses and ailments, I was having difficulty urinating which I originally attributed to the fact that there was this electro stimulation device on the exhibition floor that I had been put on my lower abs and turn on full blast because I’m going to show off how tough I was. And I thought perhaps I somehow short circuited the nerves in my bladder area and that’s why I was having these spasms and I couldn’t urinate. But about a week after I got back from Austin, Texas to Los Angeles, I went to see I’m a doctor and then a urologist. And my PSA level is 21.10. Which you which is very high extreme. You don’t want to be over one person. zero to four is kind of the reference range. Yeah. And, and he had whole battery test runs, you know, PET scan, CAT scan, bone scan biopsy. And when the call came in, on a Wednesday night from a urologist, he said, I got it, I just gotta give it to you clean. We tested 12 sites. And they, you know, with needle biopsy, yes. For those who haven’t had that done, I highly recommend you avoid it if they only do it once. So even if you have prostate cancer, they won’t do it more than once. Or twice tested positive stage four, cancer Gleason Score nine, outside the prostate, implement nodes in the bone. He said, You need to see an oncologist immediately. Yeah, because there’s some metastases happening. Yeah. And here I was for 20 years, you know, just trying to be as clean as I could. Right? Nothing but grass fed beef. Yeah. Nothing but you know, organic, this clean spring water, everything live by the beach, clean air clean sunlight. And, and so my initial reaction, of course, was just complete shock, right? Like, what’s all this stuff that I had been doing to be healthy kind of a waste of time was I just kind of going down this ridiculous path where it was, you know? But then it kind of kind of came out of that funk. Didn’t take long, a couple days. And I decided this is probably the best thing that ever happened to me, because this passion that I had to be well, didn’t really have enough of a purpose. Okay, because I hadn’t wanted to kind of move into that move out of the I love my my jobs. Great. I’m good at what I do and do it 30 years, but I really might I don’t sit at home at night reading books on the Uniform Commercial Code. I just don’t I read books about hell. That’s alarming. Yeah, yeah. And I’m always reading three or four books. And they all have to do with the same thing. Yep. Right. And so anything that’s out there, I’ve read it if it’s cutting edge, and it has to do with wellness. And so I really kind of wanted to figure out how I could have a story that was compelling, that I believe would give something of value to people that was in that space, and I just didn’t have it. And so I decided, okay, here we go. Now we got it. Let’s just do it. And so I jumped in as deep as I could. And I read literally, I read 14 books in 21 days, and I just plowed through them. And I could tell pretty because I’m an attorney, I look at context, I look at kind of read the words and see who’s writing kind of where their perspective isn’t that sort of thing. And I decided that I really needed to figure out and come up with my own theory on what caused cancer before I could decide what protocols to use to address cancer. And of course, my oncologist was had given me some standard of care treatments, which we can talk about, and was pushing me into doing some chemotherapy or some radiation. And I decided I didn’t want to do those until I really kind of got my head around what the causes were. Right, right. And so I spent most of that initial part of that process that phase, kind of really looking into where the can’t what I thought what I thought personally, obviously, I’m not a scientist, but what based on my interpretation, the evidence when I thought the cause of cancer was, and I and I kind of stumbled on a lot of different theories. Sure, yeah, there’s folks out there that think if you have too much red meat, you’re gonna get cancer. There’s folks that think it’s all caused by fungus. There’s folks that I mean, these are all over the map. But there’s kind of a very kind of common theme amongst what I consider to be the deeper thinkers in this space. And that’s, it’s it’s a genetic mutation, it’s a defect in the genes, or it’s a respiratory problem. It’s a mitochondrial problem. The Warburg effect. And I kind of looked at both of those and kind of analyze both of those. And I looked at a lot of the PubMed studies on on on, there’s not a lot in the Warburg side, there’s a ton of it on the DNA side. And I decided that based on my own theory as to how I got cancer, we can talk about that, too. It was clearly something more energetic than it was genetic. Okay. Okay. And the Warburg theory made perfect sense to me. And he got a Nobel Prize. Can you unpack that a little bit for sure. Sure. The way cells respirate normally is they, they actually use oxygen to create ATP, okay. And they burn glucose as part of that process, or they burn ketones is part of that process, but it’s really the oxygen that is an oxygen, oxygen, oxygen based metabolic process. Cancer cells are unable to respirate oxygen, so they’re anaerobic. They’re anaerobic, and so they can only burn glucose, okay. And as a result of that, they’re they’re creating energy through a fermentation process. Okay, so it’s, it’s interesting, what’s really interesting in we can get into this a little more later on with it, if it’s if it’s if it’s important we have time for it is, before there were life forms on Earth before there’s oxygen on the earth. All life forms were necessarily in this lactose, I mean, the burning of glucose state, right? We’ve been pretty good with lactic acid, right? The fermentation process. And so if you take a healthy cell, and you deprive it of enough oxygen, it will basically revert back to its pre historic form of energy. That’s interesting. Yeah. And so, in my perspective, there’s definitely a link between the ability of the cells to be properly oxygenated, and cancer. And it’s this the shift from what Brugg discovered, which is this, if there’s not enough with the cells and unable to respirate properly, they start fermenting. In the course of that, in the, in the course of shifting into that, you know, it creates a lot of ancillary damage, including DNA damage, including fungals, fungus growth around the cells that links the so all these theories are right, but they’re just not necessarily the root cause. Right, right. They’re just part of the development of the disease. Yeah, right. So the progression, it may actually come early enough in the process before even recognizes cancer, therefore, it appears to be the cause. Right? Because the initial stages of cancer are so early can’t even detect them. Right. In fact, one of the questions that I that I get asked quite often is, are statements that are made they say, Well, you’ve you’ve cured yourself of cancer, and I don’t like to use the word cure.

Speaker 1 10:46
Well, we all have cancer cells, because Exactly.

Speaker 2 10:49
That’s exactly right. Yeah. And people need to realize that if you do an uncle blood tests on anybody, you’re going to discover cancer cells. The question is, is your body in a cancer Ng, I like to use the verb version of it K State, or is it a healing state. And if you find yourself in a cancer ng state long enough, you will have what ultimately is diagnosed as cancer. And what you need to do is figure out how to push yourself back into the healing state. And so that was my goal was to transition myself back into healing state. And so that was, that’s the whole Warburg theory. And at the time, Warburg got his Nobel Prize, they didn’t really understand the mitochondria yet, that came out a little later on. And Pete Peterson discovered that he also was looking into this whole mitochondrial base, you know, just just for your listeners who may not be familiar, the mitochondria is like an organelle within the cell, right? Some cells have 1000s of them, and some have very few and some of non bloodlines

Speaker 1 11:39
to be a different creature. Yes. Evolutionarily, biologically, it

Speaker 2 11:42
was definite, and it kind of got absorbed into the cell. And that’s the energy source. That’s, that’s where the energy is generated. That’s what makes us warm blooded creatures. Right? If it weren’t for that, that little fire going on inside that little organelle, there would be no heat generated by our bodies. So when we talk about kind of life and life energy, you really got to put on the scientific but we could point to the mitochondria is a major player in that game. And healthy cells, you know, the mitochondria is is the source of their energy cancer cells, the mitochondria defective, okay, and their energy production is actually done in the cytoplasm. Oh, really. I mean, it’s done in America. It’s this respiration, this lack of respiration, the fermentation process is really done more than in the cytoplasm. And so you want to kind of force your healthy cells into more of a healthy mitochondria space and your unhealthy cells more until you can get your fuel you need, which is glucose space. And

Speaker 1 12:33
this is probably why, you know, fasting and low sugar diets and things have some benefit in cancer right now. That’s correct. Seems to starve the cancer is faster than it starves. That’s my theory. This this Warburg versus genetic is an is a new perspective for me, right? My perspective on the fasting benefits for cancer were about robbing the greedier cells of their fuel source, correct. And so they failed first,

Speaker 2 12:58
correct? Correct, because the amount of the amount of glucose that a cancer cells needs is significant, which is how a PET scan works, right. But also the PET scan is we’ll take some glucose, we’ll put in some radio isotopes will jack it in your system. And then we’ll run you through a machine that looks for radio isotopes, and we’ll see where it’s congregating. Where it’s coagulating, where it’s where you have concentrations, high concentrations means there’s cancer, because otherwise it would just be dissipating throughout your body got it, because they’re just such sponges for that stuff. So anything you can do to lower the levels of glucose is I think, a therapeutic plus. And so the first thing that I did to kind of address the condition is interesting, because I didn’t know at the time I hadn’t really developed a lot of these theories was I did an eight day water fast. It’s funny you you mentioned fasting, and I didn’t originally intend to do an eight day water fast. I intend to do a 10 day cleanse the masterclass. Yep, my plan. Because I read a book on prostate health that talked about you got to do the master cleanse. And it involves lemon juice, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup. Sure. And I literally took, you know, half a day’s dose of that and I went into sugar shock. My body just went crazy. And I said, this is not gonna work. This is definitely not interesting. So I decided I’m just going to do water. So I didn’t water fast. And it’s interesting, because in hindsight, that was probably the smartest thing I could have done because it put me in a very high level of ketosis, right? Yeah, it was burning. My ketones are probably six or seven at that point. And I had been dabbling in ketosis before I got sick. You know, I actually January 1 of that year, of course, I got diagnosed in July. I started pushing, experimenting with ketosis, but more on the nutritional level, which is point five millimolar. So more in therapeutic, ketosis is over two. And and so I pushed myself into the therapeutic level. On the theory, we just what you just mentioned is let’s really feed your healthy cells to can thrive on fats as a fuel source, and starve the cancer cells because there’s less glucose available for their primary fuel source. And so that was one of the smartest things I probably

Speaker 1 14:48
certainly unpack nutritionally versus therapeutics, so nutritionally meaning ketones regenerating from fat sources and fuel and therapeutic meaning while

Speaker 2 14:56
they’re both ketones, but the question is how high you’re going to push to your level of ketones. Okay, Okay, because I was it was easy for me to to put myself in a hierarchy italic state because I had been doing the Paleo diet for several years. So I was already fat adapted someone who has been who has been in high, you know, very high carbohydrate diet, they might go through a month or two of the Keto flu before the body can actually transition into burning ketones. But the only difference between regular ketosis which is lower levels, and therapeutic is just more ketones, and quite often you do exogenous ketones to get your levels that high. And DOM D’Agostino and others out of the out of who have been focused on the science had been doing a lot of work in that space. I do take Brain Octane, which is beta hydroxy. Yeah, I do that in my coffee. And I do it probably every day. Do

Speaker 1 15:39
you think that dietary ketones are producing the same kind of metabolic signature from endogenous produced ketones when you’re burning turning fat into ketones? I mean, I never I see these ads for ketone based products, right? Oh, you’re instantly in ketosis after swallowing our product. But if you haven’t burned the 500 calories or 50 grams of glycogen out of your muscles, or carbs. You know, it seems to me like you can’t truly be in a metabolic ketosis and what we’re getting is masked, you know,

Speaker 2 16:09
I think you’re right urine. You will get you’ll get some of the initial benefits of ketosis kind of clarity of thought and you know, less because you’re feeding the brain at that point. With ketones. Your brain is not saying feed me feed me feed me. I

Speaker 1 16:20
need some sugar right away. But in terms of the anti inflammatory things,

Speaker 2 16:23
I started, I actually other than the Brain Octane or the Benihana hydroxy butyrate, I don’t really do much in the way of exogenous ketones. And the way I primarily try to keep my level of ketones up is through fasting. So I do a lot of fasting. And I can talk briefly about kind of where I was before I got sick and my diet now because I there was a big component of my diet before I got sick that I think contributed to my not the fact that I got cancer. But certainly the aggressiveness of the answer was pretty bad. It wasn’t like oh, guess what, you got a little bit of prostate

Speaker 1 16:55
one of these cancers. For those that don’t know, many, many, many more men will die with prostate cancer than from prostate cancer. It’s indolent or indolent, lazy cancer tends to not progress very rapidly. That’s right. So most men are a little older than me, but not a lot. Most men our age have, you know, some precancerous cells and PSA as a reaction to that maybe cancer state? Why do you think it took off it was

Speaker 2 17:21
because I was in this crazy kick, where I was doing this an absolutely insane daily shake that I made every day that I packed with as many nutrients as I could into this shake had so much stuff in it, that I met Ben Greenfield, a party, and I showed it to him and he said, Oh, my God, and he put it on even a blog post off of his crazy shake. And at the end, he said, you want to see a real nutjob? Check out this guy, Eric and he listed? This is before I knew I was sick, right? Yeah. And I had this every day. And I had Mark in there and had you know, what is it the Japanese fermented Jaffe Natto, I had natto in there, I put I took chicken liver and I frozen it, cut it out, make some raw chicken, I had everything healthy I could put in there, right? It was just packed full of stuff. It took me two hours on the weekends to do all the dry powder and then another hour, each date of kind of prep, and then I’d soak it overnight and blend it daily thing. Well, the problem was I was not giving my body a chance to go through autophagy. Right, I was never given the intelligence intracellular cleanup never happened. And so I was just constantly finding myself on nutrients on this ridiculous thought that if a little is good, a lot must be great. Right? And so my guess is I had had so many nutrients flooding my system that not only did it fuel whenever my healthy cells needed fuel whenever the cancer cells needed, I mean, they just they were getting a whole lot of fuel. And so now what I do is I try to have more of a pulsing effect. Evan flow, right? The redox This is Max Yeah, I want movement. I want because because there was when I when I Okay, so let’s go back to my theories on my study and the theories of cancer. So okay, it’s it’s a it’s a metabolic disease. I’m convinced of that. It’s it’s a it’s a defective mitochondria in the cancer cells. I’m convinced of that. So there’s, there’s a defect in the mitochondria. What causes that? I know you’re gonna get on the Christmas for that. And when I did a study on that, I came up with quite a quite some interesting stuff. Part of brought me back to traditional Chinese medicine, and this whole idea of chi, right, this whole idea of this energy force, this lifeforce that flows through all of us and for those of your listeners who are familiar with acupuncture and Chinese medicine, that’s a way of manipulating just one component of the Chi. It’s that’s the meridian component, but it’s everything. It’s everything in life. It’s where your attention goes. That’s it. That’s all lifeforce. And and in Chinese medicine, what causes disease can be too much lifeforce in one place and not enough light or stagnation. And in my case, I figured out stagnation in my root chakra, which is where the prostate is the prostate is the is the center of procreative and procreative energy. And when I look back at my life, four years before I got diagnosed, I was shut down in both those spaces because I wasn’t able to move where my passion was wellness. And for reasons we don’t want to go into but I wasn’t having sex either. For a long period of time, I decided to be celibate for three years, okay? And I think those two things both contributed to completely shutting down that that kind of root chakra energy flow. So, and there’s also Wilhelm Reich. And he does. I don’t know if you have time to get into his work, but he does a lot of kind of more scientific studies into kind of what he saw as life energy. Is Oregon theory under a little bit. Yeah. But I’ve read several books, and I kind of really got into the weeds into some of the stuff. I was just fascinated by it. Yes, guys. I mean, anytime I meet somebody, such as yourself, who is so passionate about what they do, that they really live it, ya know what I mean? They’re really in the they’re in the weeds completely. I have to kind of have to stop and pause and take it pay attention and kind of really, yeah, get to know what they’re doing and that sort of thing. And Wilhelm Reich was in that same, he was in that same vein to the fault. And he discovered that there really kind of two forms of life energy, right, he called them the Oregon energy, which was also called pa biomes. Bi oneness. That was that was kind of the source of life itself. That’s what caused life. No, that’s that’s, I think Hippocrates also saw that too. And yeah, he talked about the green something in the gut or something I forget, anyway, or something. Yeah. And then there’s, there’s the T bacilli, or the T Bionz. And that’s the that’s the purification of life. That’s when life is kind of turning back to its original state, right. So something needs to kind of deep degrade these children by microbes are well, they’re driven. Yeah, but they’re driven, it’s not really micros because they can appear out of nowhere. So it’s almost like quantum physics. And only you can almost take an innate substance and put it kind of in a sterile environment and this stuff will start to start to work. And that’s what he described. He’s like, wait a second, how does this work? Yeah. Because everybody said, No, it must come from the atmosphere. Something Muscat, you’re testing, right. You’ve obviously you’ve made mistakes in your lab. Right, right. And now he did a lot of study on that. And I think he’s probably based on what my interpretation of kind of his energetic causes, he’s probably seeing something that ties back right back into this whole kind of source of life. And, and so that being the case, a lot of the protocols that I adopted really focused on energetic components, things like emotional detoxification, healthy relationships, you know, getting anything out of your life. It’s not some it’s the it’s to me, you know, the people talk about stress and how stress can can affect your health. It’s not the it’s not the acute stress, it’s not the car accident, or the divorce, or the or the losing job, that stuff is bad, and it can become a chronic stressor. But your body can actually get some benefit in the redox effect, if you get through it properly. It’s so

Speaker 1 22:26
strange, like, yeah, I’m really focused on gerontology. And a lot of the aging stuff I focus on is failures of the system happens when the regulatory range or the signaling capacity is exceeded, right? And it stops varying. We can handle huge spikes of insulin of cortisol, as long as they go back down and go back down. In fact, big spikes can be useful, like you’re saying big cortisol. I mean, cortisol rise in the morning wakes us up, right. But if it goes up and stays up, our hippocampus dies, and we get depressed. You know. So it’s Lockett, lack of signaling range, I haven’t think about this sort of fits into that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 23:00
Just briefly back to Wilhelm Reich, what he discovered was in his, in his laboratories, he he looked at a lot of cancer patients in random to his organ machine, which is very simple device. It was basically just a box to capture this energy. He discovered that before people get cancer, and when they have cancer, their autonomic nervous system is only contracting. Now, the autonomic nervous system, as you know, is the sympathetic, parasympathetic ebb and flow. Yeah. So there needs to be a constant again, this constant redox, or hermetic effect of movement, this back and forth, right? You build up the tension, you release the tension, you build the tension to release the tension. And so he said, That’s a common theme and all cancer patients, they all have an autonomic nervous systems is only contracting. Interesting. Yeah. Which is why a lot of older cancer patients have trouble balancing and that sort of thing. So I took all this stuff, and I put together what I consider to be probably the most therapeutic protocols I can think of, and I just throwing everything if my attitude was look, if it if it can, if it can help my mitochondria. It’s a plus. If it’s toxic to cancer cells, but not toxic to healthy cells. That’s a plus. That’s why a lot of the oxidative stress therapies that I do are all fall into that camp. And I’ve done a lot of oxidative stress strength there. That’s kind of my form of chemotherapy really is oxygen. Things like ozone and ozone and even like high dose vitamin C, which turns in hydrogen peroxide in your system. You do have very, very high doses. That’s an oxidative stress. Yep. Okay,

Speaker 1 24:24
so you’re producing a hormetic signal. Exactly. That’s right. You know, when you mentioned, feeding your body with all these incredible shakes, and that may have been a cause it reminded me there’s a study out a few years ago showing that oral antioxidants decreased health decreased survival, because they remove the mitochondrial apoptotic automagic hormetic stress signal when a mitochondria is damaged, producing free radicals write the cell here’s that damaged stream of of free radicals coming out and tells the mitochondria to self destruct right through and that hermetic sort of damage signal is what the cell uses to tell this to tell the mitochondria to self destruct it pretty soon another one, if you’re taking huge amounts of oral antioxidants, and you reduce the hermetic signal to such an extent that broken mitochondria are not told to self destruct, so they continue to do it and the free radical road actually rises much higher than it would if you didn’t supplement at all. Wow, some, I have a hunch that some of what you did was hijack and suppress the hermetic danger signal in your body,

Speaker 2 25:24
no question about it. I was doing a lot of, you know, glutathione I was doing a lot of car accident therapies. You know, not that none of the therapeutic I do it now, but I do it kind of this more hermetic way. Right? And one of the things that I that I think people don’t realize that are trying to do alternative treatments in cancer is they have to understand that oxidative stress and antioxidants shouldn’t be overlap they shouldn’t be you need to focus on one or the other. For the reason you just stated okay, it wouldn’t would make sense for example, to do a lot of oxidative stressors then take a ton of antioxidants, right when you try to do trying to cancel out the benefit of the oxidative stress or kind of cancel out the benefit the antioxidants, right, I choose oxygen to knock out the cancer and I’ll take whatever consequences come along with that. But I haven’t really seen any I mean, I haven’t really seen a lot of changes that I would say okay, this oxidative stress is destructive of my body so

Speaker 1 26:14
no tissue and muscle damage. No Yeah, no increased joint pain. No, no, I

Speaker 2 26:18
have a little bit but I think it was more from the androgen deprivation treatment I was doing. I was doing some chemical castration I was doing tee shots. Yeah. Okay. So that it’s like cut growth hormone down into it cut my testosterone to zero. Wow, what

Speaker 1 26:30
was that subjectively like? Well, I mean, besides the the sexual component? Well, yeah, like in terms of aggression,

Speaker 2 26:37
he kind of liberating because, you know, if you’re the kind of guy who gets his attention distracted when a pretty one woman walks in the room. Yeah, never happened.

Unknown Speaker 26:47
Okay, all that free time gave me a lot of gas.

Speaker 2 26:49
Because I had all this competence. It didn’t make any right now. I mean, there were there were things I did have hot flashes, I did have I did have a little bit of joint pain, not a lot. I cycled off. And just as a footnote, for any of your listeners who might have friends or fathers, uncles who are struggling to prostate cancer, you can cycle off Lupron, you can cycle off the ADT. Your doctor won’t tell you that. But if you go into PubMed, and you do a bunch of research, which I did, before I took these drugs, and deciding which ones to take. And then I cycled off, you will find there’s plenty of studies out there that show there’s the studies basically say there’s no harm in cycling off. They also say there’s no benefit in cycling, which is to me is bullshit, if I can say that, and you’re sure, because there’s no reason why your Biden body shouldn’t be able to go through a period of let’s say, 3468 months, whatever, where it has to stop. And once again, so it can do with bone development. Anything else starts right? That’s right, why just spend the rest of your life constantly degenerating. Without any testosterone, right. So that’s kind of an interesting footnote. But yeah, getting getting back to the diet. And the mitochondria. That’s, that’s an area where I kind of really had to do a little bit of a pause, because there’s a whole bunch of material out there that suggests that a plant based diet is probably the most efficacious for cancer, okay, you know, the RU, Vedic diet, and the Gerson therapy. And there’s a whole there’s a whole slew of stuff out there. And in a lot of that involves juicing and kind of high carbohydrate. And I thought, Well, how could that be? Because I, you know, I was a vegan, not vegan, I was a vegetarian for a while. And I know that you’re not going to get a lot of fuel sources from anything but carbohydrates on a diet, because you know, and so I thought, Well, how could that be? And there’s also a ton of static studies out there. There were more recent studies that show the ketogenic diets extremely therapeutic, certainly with certain cancers, like glioblastoma and blastoma, and that sort of thing. And so I was trying to reconcile between the two. And when I was in Tampa, at the metabolic therapeutics conference, I stumbled on a doctor up there who was studying in the space and I was grilling him on the question and he said, well, both plants and fat are deuterium depletion foods. And I thought, okay, there’s a whole bunch of panel discussions on deuterium and effective deuterium in the mitochondria, this whole area meaning hydrogen, yeah. And I’ll tell you about in a second. So this whole conference was about kind of how to use the ketogenic diet as a therapeutic diet. And so they had a whole section on kind of epilepsy and neurodegenerative, tissue, Alzheimer, and then a whole section on cancer, right? Those are the kind of the two main branches in deuterium plays into this certainly into both because the mitochondria actually use hydrogen as part of the creation of ATP. And that whole Krebs cycle, and deuterium is a very, very small, small, small part of the atmosphere in the environment, the food’s everything. It’s like point 01 5% Of all the hydrogen, but it’s a hydrogen molecule that’s larger double the size of a normal normal hydrogen molecule. And that’s why I call it heavy heavy hydrogen. Yeah, heavy water. Yeah, heavy waters high deuterium water. And if it if a deuterium molecule gets into your mitochondria, just mix it up. It can’t function. And I thought, well, that’s kind of interesting. Yeah. And so I’m now just experimenting a little bit on the whole deuterium depleted water. under that sort of thing, just to kind of see if there’s any therapeutic benefit there, but it fit square within my, my theories, your model how this is working. Yeah. So my diet basically is a very high plant, high fat plant based diet with with some some animal proteins just more for the nutrient value. And so I keep my protein levels just to what I need to maintain muscle mass no more. Okay, just in a nice do a lot of fasting and I do a lot of pulsing a lot of cycling. Like I don’t have the same thing every day.

Speaker 1 30:26
Yeah, yeah, it’s that me again, variability. Yeah, if the body can the regulatory domain can adapt, it can often continue to change. And if it stops adapting, I mean, static

Speaker 2 30:37
is death. Right? So Right, exactly. That’s exactly right. So

Speaker 1 30:43
as you were trying these things, as you were starting to get into different therapeutic techniques, what were you know, some of the crazy things you tried, let’s say that maybe you either found not successful or you just couldn’t, I

Speaker 2 30:54
would say that, you know, I don’t know, if I went that far out on a limb I did, I found coffee enemas to be struck a struggle for me. And I know that the Gerson says you should do four or five a day or something ridiculous. I was doing him like once every two weeks or once a week. Just the whole idea of how you set it all up and make it all work and it’s messy and his pay. It’s kind of awkward. And it’s, it’s I don’t think it was it was certainly not outside the realm of am I gonna hurt myself doing this right? in that realm? Yeah. You know, there were a few things that I actually bought that were I thought were kind of more caustic substances that were supposed to be deadly to cancer. One of them you need DMSO to get into your cells, I forget what some chloride or chlorine based product. And I actually, you know, I stumbled upon this, and I bought that I bought some of the product and I just didn’t have the guts to use it. And so it’s still sitting on the shelf. And I’ll probably throw it away, because I just felt like, look, if I was just so into being healthy, I just was untrusting of it. I did take the 17 layer Trail, which is gotten a lot of interesting press about conspiracies and how the government shut all that stuff down back in the 70s, etc. But I do it in its natural state. I just buy bitter apricot pits and I have a handful every day. To me, it’s it’s you know, if it’s coming from an apricot, I’m not too worried. It’s not meeting some laughs I can’t think of any, I can tell you a few things that I do that are probably a little bit out there. Okay, that I still do. Okay. I have, I have an exercise and II want machine to live Oh, to live Oh to machine at home, which is basically a giant bladder that you fill with oxygen. And then you do you put a little sensor on your finger to tell you blood oxygen levels are pulse oximeter. And you get yourself worked up to a state and you wear a mask. And the mask would has a switch in which the switches either off which is mimicking high altitude 15,000 feet, so you’re low oxygen, and on is sucking air out of this giant bladder. And so while you’re running on your treadmill and working on your income a bike I do it on a Stairmaster you kind of get your your level up and get your oxygen level down, okay, and it causes your capillaries to widen and open up because your body starved for oxygen. And then you throw that switch. You know, it’s like, bam, and now you’re getting oxygenation. Yeah, so I do that. I also do hyperbaric oxygen, which I don’t think is all that far out there. In fact, the more I would recommend, and I know this is not standard of care, and I’m not a doctor, and please Would I say this is not medical advice. Let me make sure that’s clear. But I would from my perspective, my my own personal opinion is anybody who’s facing metastasis, metastases should absolutely do hyperbaric

Speaker 1 33:27
because that drives oxygen into tissues in a way that nothing else does. Or

Speaker 2 33:32
yes, it gets it to, it gets into little nooks and crannies. And, and I always kind of knew that because you know, a lot of DOM D’Agostino, his work, and the folks at the Keto pet sanctuary have done a lot of stuff with dogs involving keto and hyperbaric, and a lot of things pointed to the efficacy of it. But then when I was at the metabolic therapeutics conference, I met a gentleman from London who had glioblastoma and he had the tumor removed, and he was doing high five fasting high ketogenic diet so that in the brain, you know, that causes the cancer to be easier to get out because it kind of it pulls in on itself, because clear dividing line between the brain cells and cancer cells. But on a on a thermal imaging scan, it’s still showed he had little bits of cancer floating throughout its brain. And so the only thing he did to change his protocol was he added hyperbaric oxygen, and he did it for two or three months. And his thermal imaging CAT scan came back and said, you’re free and clear. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. So I continue to do it once a week. He bought, he bought. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 34:28
still do it. We still do ozone therapy as well.

Speaker 2 34:31
I do I do rectal insufflation. Okay. And I do it at home. Okay. You can buy a little machine that generates ozone gas, it’s not water to gas and you have an oxygen tank and you run it through this machine. And you put in the bladder and then you stick it. Oh three, right. Yeah, yeah. So just taking oxygen and that’s it. Yeah, it’s really easy. I used to do it every day. Now. I do it probably two or

Speaker 1 34:51
three days a week. Okay. And again, that’s a hyper oxygenation strategy for

Speaker 2 34:55
you. Exactly. Okay, exactly. And I do a little bit of hydrogen peroxide too. was, well, food weighed 35% You can do it as a bath with a cup and a hot bath. You can just take eight drops and eight ounces of aloe and drink it. I don’t know if it works or not, but it fits into my category didn’t hurt me. Yep. So I just throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. Interesting. So

Speaker 1 35:14
it sounds like the biggest bang for the buck. The Silver Bullet you’ve identified for at least your own, you know, defeating of this of this cancer is oxygen is whatever strategy you can use to get more oxygen in your taking. Yes. What about something like breathwork? You know, over breathing Wim Hof breathing. Do those also oxygenate? I’m not sure I have a clear sense of if they do or not. Yes.

Speaker 2 35:41
And I actually, because I was interested in oxygen at myself. I took the Wim Hof course, yeah, I did the I didn’t do the ice baths, though I have to confess I did the breathing though in the meditation. And I think Wim is absolutely a genius I do. But I don’t think his his his methods really do much. There’s another guy who wrote a book is Patrick McCowan, it’s called the oxygen advantage. And in there, he talks about really how to get oxygen, not only into your blood cells, but out of your blood cells into your tissues. And he says that if you just hyperventilate, if you just breathe hard, it actually increases the bond between the oxygen and the oxygen in your blood cells, it’s harder to get that oxygen, add your blood into your tissues. Interesting. And the only way to do that is to have enough carbon dioxide in your system. And you can only have enough carbon dioxide in your system for the exchange for the exchange Exactly. Is you need to be doing very kind of what I call a Jaya breath and yoga. Oh, yes, yes, if you run upstairs, next Olympic athlete they want even, they want to be breathing hard, right, right. Because all that oxygen is getting right into their tissues. And your mouth is open, and you’re breathing hard. And so you’re not using your diaphragm. And you’re not getting that you’re not getting the oxygen into your blood, you’re not constantly knocking the oxygen out of your blood into your cells. And so I kind of use Patrick’s philosophies more, which is kind of really get your breath, slow your breath down as much as you can. And there’s exercises he has in his book that really kind of help you get and really still in your breath. Oh, interest is kind of counterintuitive. Yeah, a little bit. It’s kind of counterintuitive. But he certainly looked into the science and yeah, if you’ve if you read the book, you’ll see he’s he’s done a lot of work on this. And so again, he’s like I talked about with you and you’re, he’s gotten in the weeds. So you can, this is a guy who’s

Speaker 1 37:14
now you have me wondering, I do a lot of Ashtanga yoga studio right next to people and obviously in Culver City, and we do the Jahai breath or not exactly, actually my teacher you’re going Christian said would say you breathe with sound, right? You know, and it’s not

Speaker 2 37:27
actually you know that that ocean sound? Yeah, that’s actually to generate heat in your body.

Speaker 1 37:31
Exactly. It’s generally heat. And it’s to be able to observe the quality of your breath to know if it is smooth and continuous. Or if it’s if you’re like, struggling and you know, you can’t hold your pose. If your breath is ragged, your energy is ragged. And so adding a sound a slight sound, not so much a Darth Vader breath, you know, but but a slight sound allows you to monitor the long, extremely slow, long breath you’re doing right. So I have to wonder if one thing I’m doing in that practice is hyper oxygenating. I mean, certainly, we’re generating heat and that long slow breath you breathe in and out through your nose only is dramatically heat generating when you did your Bikram.

Speaker 2 38:15
Yeah, I wasn’t when I started, when I started doing yoga, I originally, you know, I spent a couple of years doing big when I was living in Manhattan Beach at the time, and that’s the only yoga student they had. So I did to beat them. And the reason why they did the 60 day challenge because when I moved to Santa Monica, I decided I’m not going to become again, I’ll just do it first for 60 days and I’m gone. But so now I do kind of more of a regular vinyasa flow or hot yoga. And it’s shocking to me because I do a fairly advanced class level two three class and so I’m in holding these poses for a long time. Some are pretty hard poses. And I’m just sweating profusely sure it’s literally pouring off right right right guys just just dying. And I’m not even a hot room and my breath you can’t even hear it. Right? Right. Yep. It’s and that to me is the test of whether or not you’re actually in that state and I think the reason why I can do that is because I’m getting the right amount of co2 in my system so this oxygen is getting

Speaker 1 39:03
and so is that state is that state of smooth controlled slow breath and sweat pouring off of you. Is that a state do you think where we are doing efficient oxygen carbon dioxide exchange oxygen tissues and increased way? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 2 39:14
One thing Patrick says is just tape your mouth shut. Make sure you’re not breathing through your mouth at night. He literally says do a piece of tape over your mouth. Yeah, because if you’re opening your mouth to breathe at night, you’re not oxygenating yourself. Interesting. You want to be breathing through your nose. I feel bad for people who may have had no surgery. I

Speaker 1 39:30
broke my nose a few years ago and only one side works all that well now so

Speaker 2 39:34
well, I think you you can do the Jaya breath in your in your in your Yeah. Yeah, and there’s Firebird there’s firebreath too and yoga.

Speaker 1 39:42
And I have to say even in spite of having a deviated septum on one side and you know having some slight apnea, doing the Ashtanga Ujjayi breath over a few weeks, the first couple months I did it opened up the sort of tonic passage. support in the back of my head throat, everything opened up throughout this part of my face, right? And so I would not have been able to always breathe through my nose five years ago, three years ago, right but since doing a stronger every day, I don’t even think about it. And I’m always breathing in and out through my nose. When I sleep, I breathe my nose more, I still breathe through my mouth. I snore occasionally and stuff so that you know, perfect, but doing that in about three knows breathing practice during yoga has trained my body to breathe better through my nose. Right? That’s right. So I think some some benefits. Although my PSA was point three last time it was checked. So don’t get it. Talk to him. Yeah, I’m sorry

Speaker 2 40:34
to hear it. I don’t want to hear it. Yeah, I know it here at minus be creeping up. My testosterone came back strong, which is great. I’m very happy about that. Good, good. But my PSA was creeping unless Hannah had a test was like 4.0 point 4.04 A little which

Unknown Speaker 40:47
is, which is down from where you were.

Speaker 2 40:51
So I obviously I’m monitoring my condition. And you know, I, I’m clearly in remission, because the bone cancer is gone. My my lymph nodes, which were not removed, weren’t functioning normally my prostate actually was normal. It was functioning like a normal process. That’s interesting. And because you were so healthy in other ways, you know, it was back to its normal size today, which I was thrilled about. Yeah. And my goal is to try to maintain that homeostasis and health and in that region. Yeah. And so that’s one. How old are you? I’m 60. Oh, wow,

Speaker 1 41:19
I would have guessed much younger, you’re very young looking. I teach aging courses. And I would have guessed, you know, more like, you know, but 10 years younger, thank you. But the prevailing wisdom in gerontology would say the weight, health status, everything that you have at 60, the consistency of that trajectory to 70, that 10 year age period, will predict everything about the next 20 or 30 years Oh, really. So changes in weight in oxygenation in hormone levels in skin tone, and skin elasticity. Any change is a predictor of the next 20 or 30 years of interesting, I did not know that. So maintaining all these things you’re doing is probably going to give you another 10 or 20 or 30 years after you hit 70. Hopefully, yeah,

Speaker 2 42:03
that’s my goal. So let’s see, I you know, something, this is another thing that I find hard for people to really get their head around who haven’t gone through what I’ve gone through. And it’s, it’s probably hard for some cancer patients to hear me say this. But I have discovered several who have said the same same thing is, honestly, when I look back, this is the best thing that ever happened to me, for a couple of reasons. Not only did my passion now have a purpose. But even more important than that is we all think there’s that we can just kick the can down the road, that there’s always going to be a tomorrow like we have this false idea of immortality, because we live from day to day, in the morning. And if you knew you were gonna die tomorrow, your priorities would shift quite dramatically a month from now or a year from now, or even 10 years from now. And so when you get diagnosed with something like I got diagnosed with all of a sudden your tolerance level for being outside of your priorities just goes away. Right? Yeah, you really everything just winds up, this doesn’t matter to me anymore. This does. And it just gives you a really kind of a really energetic perspective on life, right? Because you just don’t feel like you’re spending as much time spinning your wheels

Speaker 1 43:07
reminds me there’s a book by Steven Andreea Levine, which the title escapes me now. But basically, it’s I think, a year to live or something. And it’s a practice about doing a meditation and mindfulness practice for a year, as if this is your last year to live. Yes. And do meditations around priorities and around relationships and around end of life, right. And it’s to sort of hack that perspective in without facing a terminal illness of some sort. So, yes, you can develop, you know, this benefit by having a severe illness, but you may be able to do it without

Speaker 2 43:44
without I would encourage those people who can do that to absolutely do it. I mean, I wake up every morning feeling so grateful. Just set them up for another day. Yeah, yeah. Just another day. And gratitude

Speaker 1 43:54
itself has some profound health benefits we’re seeing right, yeah. So yes.

Speaker 2 43:57
And gratitude for everything. I mean, you have to have gratitude for getting cancer. How tough is that? Right. But that’s the way it works. Yeah, pick and choose. Otherwise, it’s just ego gratification, right?

Speaker 1 44:07
So you have to move more into the equanimity being pleased or happy or accepting of how things are.

Speaker 2 44:12
Right. It’s the more exams, yeah. Don’t be attached to any outcomes at all.

Speaker 1 44:16
Right, right. Life is and therefore, you know, be right. That’s right. So all this has been leading you towards developing a platform correct tour to help share some of the information. I mean, you dug deep and it took cognitive effort. It took time, it took a lot of you know, sweat equity, so to speak. Yeah. So how are you now besides being an eloquent podcast? Guest? How are you communicating this to other people who may need some of this information or better? Yeah,

Speaker 2 44:48
thank you for asking that question. I’ve got a website. It was launched on May 15. So it’s fairly new. It’s called Quest to cure cancer.com quest to cure cancer testicular cancer, that calm On that site, I have kind of built what I consider to be a framework that helps people kind of understand where the protocols fit within the overall components of their life, whether it’s energetic or nutritional based or movement based, that sort of thing. I spent a lot of time trying to break it down. My goal is which this is, this is kind of, it’s interesting, because it’s a labor of love and a work in progress. And I have no idea where it’s going. But I’m just kind of each day I wake up and take another step in that direction. But my goal is really to provide the tools that people that want to take charge of their own outcome, health care, etc. have access to the information they need to have in order to make good decisions. Hey,

Speaker 1 45:39
that’s exactly what to pick brain. Here’s your brain here. What’s going on what you want to do with it? Right? Exactly. It’s the empowering the agency giving demystify this mysterious space. Right? And, you know, there’s conflicting information and brain science and cancer science. There’s lots of hard line. Yeah. So navigating that can be pretty confusing. And you know, I have a degree in neuroscience and navigating the neuroscience is difficult, right? Which is why, you know, I do a lot of the teaching and advocacy and everything else that we do. One thing that, that I want one, one quick question I have cancer is not cancer is not cancer from my premium

Speaker 2 46:14
ecologist sarcoma, a carcinoma, glucose, you know, in some

Speaker 1 46:18
of these have well known causes, and some have fewer known, you know, less well known causes. D, is this perspective of genetic versus, let’s say, mitochondrial, right, is that, from your perspective seeming to be true across forms of cancer?

Speaker 2 46:36
That’s a really good question. I’m I actually just kind of getting into the weeds on that stuff fairly recently, kind of just looking at the different different sources of cancer, I focus mostly on the heart tumor cancers, because that’s what I have. So breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, they all kind of fall into the same category. Some of the other cancers, like the blastoma is in the carcinomas obviously, have totally different outcomes based for exam mechanisms and mechanisms. I think there are treatment protocols in the standard of care, for example, for certain types of blood cancer that are probably not that toxic, but they remove the blood from your body, they run it through chemotherapy, they filter out the chemotherapy, they put the blood back in your body. To me that’s less devastating. Your blood doesn’t have a lot of mitochondria, by the way, right? If it has any money, I don’t know if the blood cells I think of any mitochondria. And so, you know, there, I think the treatment protocols would be different for different types of cancer. That’s a really good question. Most, if you look at kind of how I built it on the website, you’ll see that there’s, there’s one, there’s one pillar called therapeutic interventions, and the others, all the other pillars, and there’s four other pillars are all things, even people that don’t have cancer that want to avoid cancer, we’re probably well advised. Great. And so those things, I think anyone with cancer should be doing period just to get one. So back in the only state to stay in the only state. And then the therapeutic intervention. So the things that people like me want to look into, like the high dose, vitamin C, and the hyperbaric oxygen, I think are specific to people struggling with the illness. But that’s a really good question. But I think one more like kind of footnote, I want to just tag on to the earlier statement about educating people, even the best doctor in the world, is only going to be able to give you a very tiny, tiny amount of attention, right? And so if you’re not willing to step up to the plate, and figure out what’s right for you, based on your own determination, you’re necessarily putting your hands in someone else who’s got other priorities. Yeah, yeah. And so I think it’s really incumbent upon people that really want to get well, to kind of take a more proactive, and I’m not saying you wouldn’t do a lot of the stuff in conjunction with standard of care. I’m not gonna I’m not I’m not in a position to draw that line. It’s not my role. I’m not a doctor, I can’t give that advice. But I’m saying, if you can, you don’t rush in anything. Yeah. Unless you have to write adopt the wait and see attitude. Try some these other therapies first, yeah.

Speaker 1 48:46
Any active seizures and bleeding from brain tumors, you may need to go to the hospital and get a surgery right away.

Speaker 2 48:52
I couldn’t urinate. So taking ADT wasn’t a big wasn’t even a big challenge for me. But I did in a very mild I did a smaller dose I did the monthly versus the six months. It’s

Speaker 1 49:02
interesting. So you know, from again, from Gerontology perspective, the biggest risk factor for cancer is age is the most highly correlated risk factor for cancers, period. I mean, across all types of cancer. I have to imagine I haven’t looked at the website yet. I have to imagine the pillars of you know, either treatment or keeping yourself healthy. Those must also be in line with long life anti aging kind of perspectives off. I mean, we know things like ketogenic diets and getting an exercise and those are all anti aging, and those are probably also anti cancer. Yes. There’s a hint there’s definitely overlap. So I you know, I’m just curious, are you finding a lot of, you know, of the gerontological the geriatrician perspective, you know, like aging medicine people, are you bumping up against them when you’re doing this deep dive into what things may work to hack the system?

Speaker 2 49:51
Yes. I don’t know if you know, Rhonda Patrick, I’m sure you’ve stumbled. Sure. Yeah. She’s one of the folks that I pay some attention to. I think she’s great. She’s very much into anti aging. Mr. Conover Yep. And two of the things that that actually one of which I put very, very highly on my list of kind of nutritional supplements, which is Tumeric curcumin. Yep, yep. And that’s and that to me is I do it in all sorts of ways, right? There’s several ways I take it. And the others sulforaphane in both of these arches in cruciferous vegetables. Yes, yeah. And I take three different versions of sulfuric Fein. And these are both I think they’re both found to be kind of anti inflammatory, very powerful ways of kind of maintaining health and longevity, keeping your telomeres long all that good stuff how you getting turmeric

Speaker 1 50:32
into your system with a quick absorption because it doesn’t tend to be absorbed orally all that well unless you mix it with things that suppress the enzyme that you can take black pepper with turmeric

Speaker 2 50:42
right now they say fats better than black pepper. So I do it with some Brain Octane is it just for absorption then just for absorption so I do it I do it really kind of several ways I take I take pills that have Tumeric curcumin in it. I torn product thorn has a couple of good products. I also have the route itself that I put in my might have this new version of my shake, which is definitely less interesting. Less less insane. Yeah, way less insane. And I do that nano do that. Every day. I do it probably two days a week, or three days a week. And I put a whole bunch of tumeric root in there with with Brain Octane fat and maybe some pepper but I and I grind it into my food at night. And I also have this this shake though this kind of little tea makes powder arco tea, which is also Padalka. Sure, yeah, and I make the powder arco tea with some curcumin powder in it. Okay, and some Ceylon cinnamon powder in it. And some Brain Octane and I leave that in the bullet blender for like two minutes combo is completely emulsified. Yeah. And I drink that when I take all my stack. And I have a stack of supplements that I take, which are on my website, by the way. Okay, well, it’s folks interested. Great. And I take that into what that’s supposed to do if it works. And I don’t know, I’m assuming, is it that the curcumin in that in that little tea helps the assimilation of all the other vitamins I’m taking. And the fat helps the coconut fat helps,

Speaker 1 51:57
it’s nice to hear there’s another there’s another option besides black pepper, because black pepper is a nice, you know, hack. But if you’re on other drugs, right, the same liver enzyme breaks down, and you take black pepper, you’re gonna have massive spikes of your other drugs in your system, right? And so you can end up in a polypharmacy kind of situation where you’re causing interactions in your own body without any change in oral dosing. Right?

Speaker 2 52:18
No, no, I know. I know that. In fact, you do the Paul darkwa T thing I’m talking about and you’re taking pharmaceutical drugs, you might want to have your doctor check and make sure you not don’t need to lower your dose a little bit. Does it also have the same it’ll have the same effect of increasing the Oh,

Speaker 1 52:30
so it suppresses some of the same C Cpk? Whatever enzymes? Yeah. Okay. All right. Good to know. Good to know.

Speaker 2 52:37
Yeah. Again, I’m not a doctor. I just I just read this stuff information. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

Speaker 1 52:42
we the the the thrust of the podcast is here’s some information. We don’t ever expect we’re going to be experts in everything or even know everything or you can be right. Yes, you know, but you know, by asking the questions is important. By the way, in this space, you never ever get to the end result ever. Never ever get to the point you say okay, I got this thing, which is exactly how I feel with the brain. It’s always a phenomena. We’re sort of managing and digging out and looking under stones to figure out what’s going on. But it’s always an imperfect I, when I start doing Neurofeedback something you said about how people were viewing different cancers. When I started doing how the brain worked in neurofeedback, there was three or four different schools of thought that can completely different ideas of how it worked. And yet, they’re all getting great results, right? And the same thing in different alternative therapies for cancer, ketogenic, or hyperbarics. And ozone. They all work. So this strikes me as what I call blind men and elephants situation. We’re like, oh, I have a leaf. I have a snake I know, you know, we’re all a little bit confused on what’s going on. And I was actually talking to Luke about this Luke story in the last podcast that I think are really important perspective to have, be it hacking your own health, be it being a professional who teaches us stuff is the ability to say, don’t know, you know, there’s a bit of information here, I may have some context for it. I may not. And that’s, you know, I mean, you’re giving people things to dig into themselves. I hope no one listens to this podcast and rushes out and just takes all the things No, no, no, but, but hopefully, they’ve they’ve heard about a half dozen things, they can look up on your website, and they can do some more research and decide if it’s right for them. Exactly. So it’s perfect.

Speaker 2 54:17
Exactly. Exactly. Isn’t that what science is all about, though, is you always have to hopefully, I know it hasn’t become that. I have a whole section by the way. And I know we’re gonna run out of time. So but I have a whole section on the website is to why you need to take charge on health care. I have Jesus in theirs. Because I’ve looked at a lot of these studies and this is so called Evidence based medicine and I’m not saying it’s all bad. There’s a lot of good stuff out there. But I’m just saying a lot of it is colored. It

Speaker 1 54:41
also a lot of science is valid findings and conclusions in science are valid at a population level or at 100 subjects level but break down we look at one individual because they don’t necessarily fit into the middle two thirds this you know the bell curve, right? And so you know We don’t know everything and that’s really important to know. Yes. So, yes. Well, Eric so wonderful to have you on the show today. Your website again is the quest to cure cancer.com Is

Speaker 2 55:10
that a to or a to to www quest to cure cancer that create a

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nice and easy Eric Ravensburger has been our guest today. Lawyer bio hacker extraordinaire has knocked stage four cancer back into the into submission, remission and is a vibrant healthy guy if you listen to this on on audio only he’s a good looking vibrant guy at 60. So you too can can take control your health. And Eric is given some great resources and some great motivation to do so. So again, thanks so much and folks, this has been another episode of headfirst and take care of those brains.


Eric Remensperger

Eric Remensperger is not just a big-time attorney, but also a deeply knowledgeable and practice biohacker who beat Stage IV metastatic Prostate Cancer. He has been a practicing attorney for over 30 years and a “health nut” for the past 20 years. He is a partner at a major law firm, Proskauer, where he heads up the West Coast real estate practice, representing traditional banks and private lenders.

After Eric was diagnosed with Stage IV metastatic Prostate Cancer, he refused to accept his fate by dismissing Western medicine’s standard treatment of radiation and chemotherapy that destroy healthy mitochondria and compromise the immune system. He took his health into his own hands by reading 14 books in 21 days on cancer prevention, metabolism, and treatment.

After learning how cancer operates and discovering the best science-backed treatments, Eric beat the disease and now stands as both an example and messenger of optimal health.

Eric founded Quest to Cure Cancer, where he shares his story and how he did it so that he can help others beat cancer too.

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