Ep14 - The Lifestylist: Dialing in what works, with Luke Storey

Fashion stylist, transformational coach, public speaker, and entrepreneur Luke Storey joins HeadFirst with Dr. Hill to discuss his journey from fashion styles to life stylist, and how he uses himself as a guinea pig to evaluate different biohacking strategies.

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Luke Storey has had a diverse and interesting career path, transitioning from a fashion stylist to a life stylist, and incorporating biohacking into his journey. Being a transformational coach, public speaker, and entrepreneur suggests that he has a multifaceted approach to personal development and well-being.

In the interview on HeadFirst with Dr. Hill, it seems like Storey shares insights into his own transformation and how he utilizes himself as a test subject for various biohacking strategies. This approach likely involves experimenting with different lifestyle, health, and wellness techniques to optimize his physical and mental well-being.

Luke Storey’s journey could be inspiring for those interested in personal development, holistic well-being, and biohacking. His willingness to try different strategies on himself may provide valuable insights for others looking to enhance their own lives.

The podcast with Luke Storey covers:

-Lifestyle optimization and self-improvement.
-Fashion, style, and personal growth.
-Personal growth, addiction recovery, and spirituality.
-Meditation and yoga practices for mental and spiritual well-being.
-Yoga and meditation practices and their effects on the mind and body.
-Optimizing sleep, neurofeedback, and dreams.
-Cold therapy and its benefits for exercise recovery.
-Ice baths and cryotherapy for muscle recovery and mental well-being.
-Coffee, caffeine, and nootropics.
-Drug interactions and addiction.
-Biohacking and alternative healing methods.
-Alternative health technologies and their effectiveness.
-Vaccines, science, and spirituality.
-Consciousness, identity, and the self.
-Biohacking, consciousness, and memory.

Speaker 1 0:07
and welcome to another episode of headfirst with Dr. Hill. Today’s guest is Luke story who is the host of the life stylist podcast and another one of our local entrepreneurs who just got his hands in all kinds of pies. So, Luke, welcome to the show. Thanks, man. Good to see you again. Yeah, you too. You too. So Luke, first of all, for those listeners who may not have heard the life stylist podcast, what is your mission there? What are you doing? Well,

Speaker 2 0:31
with the podcast, what I’m doing is translating somewhat complex people and ideas in terms of spirituality and health to regular people. So that’s my mission, I see myself as like a bridge from great minds like you or Jack Cruz, or you know, people within health or even meditation teachers and things like that, that have somewhat esoteric ideas that can really benefit your life. And it’s about extracting the most core principles out of those teachings and from those teachers and using them to build the ultimate lifestyle.

Speaker 1 1:01
Interesting. So lifestyle, say more about that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:04
So you know, what you do with your day to day life, from the moment that you wake up in terms of mindset, you know, are you waking up and, you know, checking politics on Twitter, when you roll out of bed or you waking up and writing a gratitude list and meditating, you know, what you’re eating, what you’re drinking the water in your home, the lighting in your home, things that you just do to improve your mindset, things like meditation, mindfulness. For the past 20 years, I’ve basically been trying anything and everything I’ve heard that improves your life in any way, in terms of like mind, body, or spirit, or hopefully a combination of all three and implementing them, seeing what works, what doesn’t and then tracking down the people behind those ideas or the experts in any particular field and then sort of bringing them to the world. So I might have an episode that’s like on EMFs in your bedroom, and it’s just about that or one on cryotherapy or any number of different topics. So it’s like you know, building a life and where I got that sort of concept and idea was not only from just practicing all that stuff myself from all these years, but I used to be a fashion stylist and I did that in Hollywood for God 17 years Okay, which for anyone listening doesn’t know what that is. That means you dress other people. So celebrities for red carpet, music, videos, magazines, commercial stuff like that. So it’s like I would take these bits and pieces and put together a composite look for someone oh, these shoes go with this necklace and this dress etc. Which is fun and creative, but it wasn’t like my true true passion as it turned out. But all the while I was kind of doing that for my friends but more on an internal basis. Oh hey, try this superfood try this herb try this new tropic try neurofeedback, try ice baths, infrared saunas, you know, whatever it is breathing, exercise, all that stuff. So, I thought, You know what, I want to work with people on a deeper level, rather than like, hey, cute shirt, Andrew. Hey, it actually it does that your shirt matches your glasses right now. So you got you got to pull it together pretty well. But after a while, you know, living on that level of in terms of work was just, you know, I didn’t find it to be that fulfilling. And so on the entrepreneurship trip, I started something called School of style, which is a fashion school to teach people how to do that. And that’s like my sort of main bread and butter. Now while I’m emerging with the podcasts and stuff, which I’ve been going for about a year, some kind of one foot in the Hollywood Fashion entertainment scene still and then one foot in the health and wellness and sort of spirituality scene. Oh, that’s great. So

Unknown Speaker 3:25
how long is he just over a year? It’s under a year. You said?

Speaker 2 3:28
Yeah, the podcasts been going a year. And that’s milestone. Yeah, it’s cool. The year anniversary, we had Neil Strauss on, you know, world famous author, a friend of mine, and we had him on for the year anniversary, which was June 6, and at that point, we’re up to about 600,000 downloads. So you know, with no advertising and just kind of word of mouth and getting really great guests. You know, I’ve been very fortunate and having people like you and many other people. Yeah, it wasn’t on the show. I was on the you were on. Yeah, you heard one of my early tests. Yeah. I think we called it like hacking your brain with neurofeedback or something. So, you know, it’s just, it’s, you may have found this to with your show. But what’s been really cool is that I noticed immediately I was able to get interviews with people or get on a Skype with someone that either normally would never talk to me or I’d have to pay them enormous amounts of money to like sit down and be therapists by them or somebody you know, right. Like I reached out to people like yeah, I’ll do your show. I’m like, really, you know, in the beginning, especially, you know, there’s I didn’t really have any credibility in this industry, per se, but I you know, I knew a few good people. And once you get like one sort of big name guests, then sure others will follow and stuff, but I’ve been very fortunate. It’s really great.

Speaker 1 4:35
Yeah, I actually haven’t had trouble yet. I’ve only had a dozen shows or something. But I’m either picking people that I’ve been on their shows, right? Or people that are teachers of mine, spiritual teachers, meditation teachers, yoga teachers, and so people that I’ve had a direct, you know, I serve and sort of ask them and they have they feel that they have to say yes, right, you know, because they work with me in other ways. Yeah. That’s great. So, lifestyles podcast is a year old your style schools call Old.

Speaker 2 5:00
It’s called School of style school style. Yeah. And that it’s just a totally different industry. Like when I talk to people that are into the stuff we’re into, they’re like, what? I don’t get it. Essentially, it’s like half trade school, half art school, to an independent fashion school. And we hold classes with between 35 and 50 people a few times a year in LA or New York, and New York bicoastal. Yeah. And so yeah, we just bring people in. And it’s like a, it’s sort of like a seminar slash boot camp, there’ll be classes run between two or nine days. And there’s like two main classes. And essentially, what we do is just take, usually younger people, you know, it’s probably like average age, 25 years old people that have like, been to college and didn’t learn what they want to do for a living. Or people that have been, you know, graduated high school been in the workforce, and they’re frustrated and doing something they they don’t love. And they want to do something glamorous and creative, which is, you know, very much working within the fashion industry. So we’re kind of niche down where we just teach you how to become a personal stylist, which means you dress executives and regular people, or you become a fashion stylist, which means you dress celebrities and models and things like that. So we teach them the art of the business and just kind of how that works as being a freelancer or an entrepreneur, depending on which kind of avenue you go. And then we help get them jobs. So it’s very fulfilling in that way. Because you’ll take some kid that’s like, Hey, I’m just moved to LA from Idaho. And like, literally a day after class, we’ll send them on a Beyonce video. Yeah, Vogue shoot. So it’s, it’s really cool. Being able to see like, people’s dreams come true. Yeah. Even though it’s not particularly my dream anymore, because I’m just not involved in the fashion industry. I would rather be off like collecting Springwater like, you know, getting some new biohacking gadget going or doing Neurofeedback or whatever. But, yeah, so I kind of I still do that. It’s a great way to kind of give back and you know, help younger people get into that industry as I sort of phase out of it.

Speaker 1 6:51
It’s wonderful. So we have this under this, this this fashion history, and now you’re moving more sort of personally into the biohacking if you will, space and you’re becoming an influencer. In that space. You said earlier, you were trying all these things, and on a personal basis and with your friends begs the question, what did you find? Let me ask you this way, what is the first thing where you were like, oh, okay, this makes a change, like, what was the big first impact?

Speaker 2 7:17
Well, you know, the impetus for my getting into all this stuff was totally destroying my life when I was a teenager. And in my early 20s, I was like, a really, really bad drug addict, okay, and just, you know, into all kinds of gnarly stuff, you know, criminal activity, and below that, you know, so I essentially, like burned my life to the ground. And then I started, you know, I cleaned up, I went to a treatment center, and I got sober, thank God when I was 26, that’s 20 years ago, and most it’ll be 21. And a little bit. So that was like, you know, hitting that rock bottom classic case, I just had nothing I dropped out of high school, I used to play music. So I played in a band. And I just was totally unemployable and just had a just horrendous life. And so when I got sober, I started learning how to meditate. And I went to India to a place called Oneness University and learn how to do this trippy thing called Deeksha, like these energy transfers, and started reading all these spiritual books and studying all these gurus and, and getting into like, the early, this would be the late I guess, mid 90s version of health food stores and smoothies and stuff like that, you know, back then the health food stores like bulk bin of oats. I mean, it was like, you didn’t have the advanced stuff we have now reishi, mushroom extract spores, and you know, all this kind of stuff. But I think the first needle mover for me, it was really learning about meditation and starting to study spiritual truth, just studying spiritual principles, learning how to apply them to my life, that was like when things started profoundly changing, because I started to become less selfish and self centered, which I had just become, like completely narcissistic. And it was just I was in survival mode for years. I mean, when you’re a drug addict, it’s just like, you don’t care about anything except getting well you know. So I started learning about being of service to other people and in a meaningful way not not just to get attention for it and like brag about it, but actually helping people when no one’s looking at that kind of stuff. And just, you know, learning about just prayer and not enough for me in a religious sense, but just some of those basic principles. Just willingness, acceptance, surrender, gratitude, mindfulness, you know, just learning how to be present in my body. So it’s first psychological but then I was also very toxic physically, so I started doing a lot of crazy fasting and stuff I would do like 20 day 30 day fast on just vegetable juice. Wow. And and, you know, making my own kombucha and all kinds of weird stuff. Back then it was like all about juicing and then colonics stuff. So I remember once I went to a place called Angel farms on the Big Island of Hawaii, and they do something called a gravity fed or Colima, type colonic and send Should you lay on this table for two hours a day and they just have this tiny little like Bic pen that goes inside you. It doesn’t sound, it sounds uncomfortable in a way, but it’s not as awkward as it might seem sure if you’ve ever had a colonic, sometimes it’s a bigger tube. But it’s like this little tube that goes into, but you lay there for two hours and 20 gallons of water go in and out of you. So that was one of the and I did that for 12 days. Oh, gosh. And so that was like, it was actually a really pivotal point in my health, because I just was able to detox God knows what you know, I mean, you see these like, creatures coming out of you, you know, after that two hours and little like, you know, toy cars you ate when you were a kid, like when you got a shark and there’s like, there’s a shopping cart inside, um, you know, just crazy random old stuff coming out. So that was like the base was fasting. colonics just detoxing in a hardcore way. And then it was like the course of building up but I would say like, spiritually and mentally. You know, therapy, support groups, all that kind of stuff in the mind, and then just a lot of cleansing and then sort of had been building from there ever since.

Speaker 1 11:08
And all of these practices are describing these contemplative practices, metal, meditation, mindfulness, etc. You still do stick with you? Are you still? Yeah,

Speaker 2 11:16
absolutely, man. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I’ve gone through different phases where I’ll practice different techniques and things like that. What’s really working for me right now is I practice Vedic meditation, okay, which is, it’s kind of an offshoot of TM, transcendental meditation, it’s a mantra based meditation, twice a day for 20 minutes. On a good day, I’ll make my 220 minute sessions, you know, on a normal day, usually just the one. So that’s been really profound for me, because it’s the first meditation where there was an actual technique to follow. There’s something to do, yeah, instead of just like, hey, just sit there and pay attention to your breath, or, you know, have body awareness or things like that, which is all good. Yeah. But I find the mantra meditation really works for me. Because it’s like, you know, I know there’s a set time period I’m gonna do it for and it’s very ceremonial, it’s not like because I’ll just meditate throughout the day to randomly in my car, just stop and breathe and just kind of get in my body and get present. But this is like a time set aside where I turn everything off. And it’s very devoted to that. And I find the mantras really useful. And actually taking me into that, in that transcendental place where, you know, my mind and ego aren’t necessarily running the show, I kind of have an awareness of them from a different point of view. So that’s been huge, but I’m, you know, I’m always learning more. The other thing, I think that’s, for the past five years, that’s been a big needle mover is doing Kundalini Yoga, okay, that’s like, really, really moved. I don’t know it just like I did it this morning for an hour and a half. And it moves the energy in ways that you just can’t explain. It’s really goofy if you watch it. There’s all sorts of chanting and breathing exercises, like stuff, if you would have told me 20 years ago, I was gonna be doing this, I would like punch myself in the face. It’s like so lame, in a sense, you know? Everyone wears white and turbans. And it’s just, it’s from the onlookers point of view. It’s kind of weird. Yeah. But dude, there’s something to it. There’s Wait, there’s mu dress. There’s ways you hold your hands. There’s way you move, move your arms, you move your body combined with the breathing and the chanting. On a scientific level, I have no idea what’s going on. But I know I walk in there and my consciousness and my mind are working one way and when I walk out, something’s changed. Sure. For the better, you know, kinda like Wim Hof breathing. It’s like, what you just sit there for 20 minutes and breathe in and out? What the hell is that going to do? If you try it a few times, you’ll notice a profound change. So Kundalini Yoga is sort of like that, like you don’t really know what the hell is going on. But the way I look at it is sort of for you know, five, 6000 years you got these goofball gurus up in the Himalayas, in a cave going, I wonder what happens if I tap here 55 times and breathed this way or that way with that nostril, this nostril? And that feels good, you know, or I don’t know, they’re getting it downloaded from the gods who knows what with these strange sort of postures and techniques have been handed down and then put together in a system and by practicing that, it just works for me, I get it. But I’m like, the kind of guy like, I want to know how stuff works. Because I’m not totally analytical and skeptical. It’s more about like, if it works, I don’t really care. But I would love to know, like, put me in a laboratory or someday, like, study what’s going on in my brain? Or do you know neuro? You know, like your words the EG? Yeah, EEG and like, what happens to you when you do Kundalini yoga? I don’t know. We could find out. But it feels really good. Nice.

Speaker 1 14:35
And I get a similar transformation from I do Ashtanga Yoga. We don’t chant as much but it still has some of the esoteric the other limbs that are that are not just the asanas, the the poses? And you know, when I first started in yoga, it was like, Oh, I’m doing a bunch of poses to get in shape, right. And then after doing it for a few years, it’s like, yeah, you do the poses, but it’s really about something Eltz batons really the orderly arrangement of your limbs to order your mind. Wow.

Speaker 2 15:06
Yeah. Well, you know, I think when I yeah, when I first started yoga, it was like at 24 Hour Fitness or something. It was like power yoga. Yeah, that’s cool. It’s a good workout like stretching. But then I started doing just I guess it was hatha yoga with a guy named Moskva Tao. And he still teaches he has been on my show, actually. But he always described yoga from the point of view that the whole purpose of the physical part of it is just to get you your body settled enough. So you can meditate. Yeah,

Speaker 1 15:31
like to support the meditation. Exactly. And I was like, oh, that’s what it’s for.

Speaker 2 15:36
So you know, I kind of keep that framework. And sometimes even in kundalini, there’s just things that are there difficult, but in a weird way, it’s not like, you know, holding a pose per se, where like, it takes a lot of muscular strength, and, you know, just determination in that way. But it takes mental determination, believe it or not, to, like, hold your arms in front of you and make a you know, a zigzag shape for 20 minutes without letting your arms down while you’re doing some weird breathing thing. It’s like, I don’t know, it requires a different type of discipline and determination. There’s something in that too. But again, you’re just doing that, so that when you get to the meditation part, you can really sink into it.

Speaker 1 16:13
And has that yoga affected your your contemplative practice, do you think, like outside of the yoga studio,

Speaker 2 16:19
you know, I’m not sure it not in a quantifiable way, because they’re so different. You know, Kundalini Yoga is all about like moving the energy and you walk out of there, just like you’re on ecstasy or something, sometimes, um, you can get super spaced out. I mean, there’s things you can do to bring yourself back down to earth. But it’s very much like moving the energy in your body. And I’m sure you’re getting really oxygenated from all that crazy breathing and stuff. So it’s more energizing, whereas the Vedic meditation is like, puts you in a super sedated state. So I’m sure they help one another. But they seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum interesting. Like I’ve never gone to Kundalini yoga and got like really awakened and then went home and tried to meditate. All meditate first, kind of really be calm, and then go into credit, lenient, sort of get everything stirred up. It’s

Speaker 1 17:09
interesting. Yeah. All right. So Kundalini yoga, meditation, Vedic meditation, what other tools do you have in your, your current biohacker toolbox? Well,

Speaker 2 17:19
it’s something that’s been really useful for me is really optimizing sleep. And this is a big, you know, kind of buzzword in the podcast world now. So I’m always looking to fine tune that something that has moved the needle for me a lot is really working with the temperature getting the temperature down. But if I run my AC all night, I have like a decent sized two bedroom apartment, it’s really expensive. And it’s just I just don’t like wasting energy. Even if I have the money to burn, it just doesn’t make sense to me. So I got this thing called a chilli pad, which is like, essentially, like, imagine an electric blanket, but it just has veins of water inside it rather than wires. So there’s no like EMFs or anything like that. But it’s like a pad that has freezing water running through it. And so your mattress, you put it underneath your fitted sheet in your mattress is really cold. So that’s like something I use and then you know, I put like foam core things in my windows to really like block out all the light and it’s amazing, like how much benefit I get if I just get real sleep for eight hours. You know, I’m an eight hour guy I never do. I mean, usually I get seven and a half on average. But if I’m lucky enough to sleep eight even, you know, randomly I might get eight and a half hours. It’s like I’m in a new universe. It’s just crazy. So I really worked on sleep and supplementation with that to just you know, taking GABA and tryptophan and Kava Kava and passionflower and lemon balm and any herb I ever hear about that knocks you

Unknown Speaker 18:48
out so you have some trippy dreams.

Speaker 2 18:51
Yeah, just any herb that I ever hear like will knock you on your ass. I basically put them all in a blender and just drink the whole thing and see what happens. You know, it’s actually I’ve made up this drink. It’s called the knockout punch. And I’ve given it to few people and they tried to drive afterward and it didn’t go so well. So sleep spin really big. Neurofeedback dude peak brain la I mean, shout out obligatory but, but legitimate.

Unknown Speaker 19:15
We will we will work together for a little while

Speaker 2 19:16
now. Yeah, so actually had the 20 Speaking of sleep, when I came in and did the sleep protocol. Yeah, that helped my sleep more than any of that other shit put together. Forgot about that. That was like, that was actually the foundation of it. And then, you know, I’d been tweaking the temperature in the light and stuff like that for a while. But I remember coming in going on my sleeps like a little wonky, and whatever you guys did, to me, it was like, sleeping straight through the night, which was incredible. So that’s been huge. And then, you know, honestly, the past years been really challenging in terms of interpersonal relationships. And it’s like, I think the spiritual lessons that I’m supposed to learn right now involve, how to have intimate relationships in a healthy way at 46. You know, that’s kind of what’s been going on. And it’s been really stressful to learn some of the lessons that I’ve been learning and so coming in and doing like the, the Alpha Theta, oh, yeah, you know, those deep plunges that are what are they like 2030 minutes

Speaker 1 20:12
the Alpha Theta the way we knew with you, I think we weren’t in you for 36 or 39. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:16
So I mean, that’s, I liken that to like a float a dry float tank that says like, which is another thing, I’d love

Speaker 1 20:23
to get a question that hypnagogic state halfway between asleep and awake, which and so I’ve never done floats in spite of everyone talking to me about float. I’ve never done a float. But my perspective is that Alpha Theta Neurofeedback and a float tank can produce a similar sort of liminal in between state is that absolutely,

Speaker 2 20:39
yeah, absolutely. It’s the state where you’re you really don’t know if you’re awake or asleep, because you’re dreaming like I did a float the other day at a place called just float in Pasadena. There’s another one I do in Westwood called float lab, if anyone’s interested, both of them are fantastic. But I did a float the other day and I’m in there for two hours. There’s for those of you that don’t know what that is, there’s no light, there’s no sound. And you’re floating in, you know, a bath of Epsom salts. So there’s no gravity and air temperature and the water temperature, the same temperature as your skin. So the idea is that you disassociate from your body. And it just kind of sets your mind or consciousness or whatever, it is free to do its thing. So it is very much the same. The other day, I did a float. And I couldn’t tell if I was dreaming or not if I was like, because you will do fall asleep, which is weird. You’re laying in water, but you sleep, there’s no chance you can drown. Because you can’t flip over, you know, yeah. Because you’re so buoyant. You’re perfectly buoyant. So just your face pokes out, you know, so I’m in there, and I’m dreaming, I always have the same dream when I’m in a float. And it’s like, I think someone’s knocking on the door, or the alarms going off telling me that it’s over. And I’m always like, Oh, damn, and I don’t want it to end yet. And then I opened my eyes and it’s totally dark in there. And you can’t hear anything. I go, Oh, wait, no, I think I was asleep. And similar kinds of things happens in the alpha theta, where I’ll hear you guys out there in the office. But then I’ll kind of come to for a second, I realized I was just dreaming about hearing you guys out in the office or whatever, it’s a really trippy place. So that’s one of my favorite ways to de stress would be both of those things interesting. In fact, I want to come to alpha theta, then go directly to the float tank and see what happens.

Unknown Speaker 22:17
Oh, that can be really deep.

Speaker 2 22:20
So I think it’s like the the old drug addict and me You know, I really, I was never into the I was into the slow jams. Let’s just put it that way up. I really like the state of like not being awake but not being asleep. I don’t like to be stimulated, I like to be kind of knocked out which

Speaker 1 22:34
sort of explains why I like Vedic meditation. When my former partners, this company that closed recently called alternatives addiction treatment in Beverly Hills, and we used to do a lot of moderation focused work. And one of the principles there, Dr. Mark Kern is known as the habit doc in Beverly Hills. Dr. Kern talks a lot about the magic elixir you choose and what that means about how you deal with your desires, your stressors, your coping strategies. And seem it seems to be that when you pick a specific drug, you tend to do other things in your life that give you the same kind of experience. You know, it’s not like you’re doing coke out in the parties. And then you’re sitting meditating all day long. Like there’s, there’s the transient congruence of what makes you feel that’s, you know, support that’s

Speaker 2 23:15
very, very interesting and true. Yeah, cuz I noticed there was like, back in the drug days, you were either like a tweaker did like crystal meth, or you did opiate or a stoner, you know, and it’s like those two clicks never really mesh you know, I didn’t hang out with tweakers they were too hyper and weird, you know? So I agree with that. Another weird thing about the drugs is that like, when I did downers even like really, you know, smoking weed or whatever it was things that would normally knock someone or ask it would make me very vivacious and talkative and kind of hyper even opiates. You know, I wasn’t interested. I wasn’t laying there on the couch. I mean, if I did enough, I would but it made me like, jovial. And if I did stimulants like cocaine crack crystal meth, I would just sit in the corner and couldn’t say a word. Oh, wow. Whereas like most people that do those stimulants, like you know, solve the world’s problems high on cocaine and all that they just can’t shut up. So it’s weird, but I know people that have the opposite effect to you know, but yeah, downers make me like come out of my shell and kind of get you know buoyant and, and the opposite is true with those. So yeah, you’re right. I like things now that really calmed me down. So Neurofeedback has been huge. float tanks have been huge. I am also just on the way over here I stopped and did an ice bath. And that my brother I live really close to the studio and my brother has a gym called Story fitness right on peacoats like six minutes from here. And we fashioned an ice bath out of one of those like, you know, horizontal freezers you get from Sears. You put in your I always think my dad used to have like venison in the garage like his hunting meat was like frozen and one of those things in the garage. And I saw someone on like Wim Hof Instagram or something that made an ice bath out of that. I was like, oh, there’s actually not ice in it. It’s just like Water That’s 35 degrees and you just plug that into a lot of water and you have like a $500 Beautifully functioning ice bath. So I have come to love the cold so I do cryotherapy, or an ice bath sometimes both, I’d say five days a week. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And I’ll sit in there for 10 to 20 minutes and 3540 degrees. And most people put their, their calf in there and they’re like, run down the street screaming Yeah, but I’ve been doing cold showers for 20 years. So when I found out about Wim Hof and all this stuff is oh, okay, there’s something to this that’s why i You can’t put me by a body of water without me jumping in. I mean, I don’t care if it’s January in Colorado. I’m like jumping in that water. I love hot springs and things like that. So I really believe in kind of the hydrotherapy, hot and cold alternating and then I do a lot of infrared saunas to what

Speaker 1 25:48
kind of effects do you think you get from the cold baths? Well, one thing

Speaker 2 25:52
for sure with the cold baths is it definitely stops the production of lactic acid and inflammation because I can go work out like crazy man, which for me, isn’t that hard compared to like a jockey on like, a super physical guy, but we do like high you know, high intensity interval training at story fitness, and it’s pretty hardcore. you’re swinging around club bells and kettlebells and doing a lot of bodyweight stuff and it’s pretty intense. And and I went from like, no working out, maybe it’s like two years ago, I basically didn’t do a lot except yoga and hiking and swimming and stuff like that. Very gentle to those hardcore workouts. And I was at the same time also doing the ice baths right after I worked out. And I had a girlfriend at the time, and she was like a total gym rat. And after every workout with my brother, Cody, she’s like, Oh, my God, I’m so sore for three days, she’d be sore, and I was like, ah, sore from what? What are you talking about? It’s literally like, I’ve never been sore from working out from the ice baths. So that’s one. But there is another theory like Dr. rendre, Pat and Ron Rhonda, Patrick has done some research and determine that if your goal is to build muscle, that doing an ice bath, right after lifting weights, is not good. Because the inflammation is what builds muscle. If you shut down the inflammation right away, you’re kind of screwing yourself. But I’m an ectomorph. I’m never going to have muscles anyway. So when I give it I just want no soreness and inflammation because it allows me to work out harder the subsequent days, because I recover so fast. So the inflammation, the lactic acid, all that stuff for me and sore, but mainly what it does, is it just totally resets my mind. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so I did it on the way over here, because I was just grinding working today with my school prepping for a trip in New York, I was all hot. And I’d used up a lot of mental energy. And I knew I needed to have some acuity coming in here to have this talk with you. So I said, Okay, I went and jumped in the ice bath for 10 minutes. I meditated in there. And there’s just something so centering about getting in that water, because your nervous system wants to go into fight or flight. It’s like, what are we doing in here with your nervous systems telling you you’re about to die, and you need to jump out. But when you can sort of override your nervous system, that first moment when I get in, it’s kind of like, and I just, I breathe, it probably takes me 10 seconds to go into parasympathetic and just surrender to the cold, which took you know, a couple years of doing that. And most people get into like, you know, they just freak out. Right? And it’s incredible, like how much control you actually have over your nervous system. If you know that you can do it. Yeah, yeah. So I really like that. Same with cryo, you know, I get in there. And it’s like, oh, for a second. You know, it’s a little freaky, and then I just breathe, and then I’m totally relaxed, and it’s almost like in the ice bath. It feels almost like my skin is hot. It doesn’t even the only thing that bothers me is my hands. If the water is like 3540 degrees, my hands hurt like hell. That’s the only thing I can’t seem to acclimate, but the rest of my body just feels so relaxed in there. And I’ll just center my breathing and I just go into this really, really centered place. It’s like a different type of meditation.

Speaker 1 28:54
Do you find the experience of doing an ice bath versus cryotherapy? That’s cold air is a different experience in some specific way or Yeah,

Speaker 2 29:01
the Cryotherapy is good because I go to what I think’s the world’s best place I’ve ever been to it’s called next health it’s on Windows Yes,

Speaker 1 29:09
she was just actually last Oh alone windy she just released her show. She

Speaker 2 29:13
was on my show. And she’s like, I mean she’s not famous that I’m aware of anything but she’s like my third or fourth most popular download Oh interesting. Yeah. Wendy Michelle Yeah amazing we did like a two hour just shoot the shit kind of episode so yeah next house um but what they do with their crowd that’s cool is it’s cold air rather than liquid nitrogen.

Unknown Speaker 29:31
Which most vapor to burn us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 29:34
So it really feels like you just stepped out of like a helicopter in the tundra of Alaska or something like you know, you go from like LA heat you walk in it’s like, it feels like a snowstorm. Right? So 160 below for three and a half minute. What I like about that is it’s quick. And I’m sure there’s other benefits scientifically that I’m aware of versus an ice bath but it doesn’t penetrate as deep. You go an ice bath for five Every 10 minutes, that’s like 3540 degrees like it rocks you to your core. I mean, you have to get out and do some Tai Chi in the sun and like it’s back up. It’s gonna take you a minute to warm back up cryo. I mean five minutes later, I feel totally normal. But I do get the I think it’s like a serotonin kind of rush in the cryo. So you do get like the happy feeling that you get from the ice bath. And you can get it in three and a half minutes. So if you’re stressed out or something like that, it’s it’s a really good reset. But I think the ice bath is just much more impactful. Interesting. Yeah. Because it just goes to your bones. Right?

Unknown Speaker 30:36
He literally record.

Speaker 2 30:37
You sit in there. And it’s like, Dude, I usually have like a fatty coffee or an elixir with you know, grass fed butter, bulletproof coffee, something like that. I’m off caffeine right at the moment as an experiment that maybe I’ll tell you about. But if you have like a hot, fatty drink, and then get into ice bath, and then get out and get in the sun, I mean, you can’t be depressed. Oh, interesting. Yeah, just like energy running. Yeah, it’s the best antidepressant in the world. anti anxiety just totally resets your whole world. Because you just overrode your whole nervous system that wants to die. And you’re like, nope, I’ve got this. And you can overcome that then like, the business partner problem you’re having or the relationship thing and whatever kind of like it doesn’t solve it, but it shrinks it down to size a little bit puts it into perspective.

Unknown Speaker 31:22
Now it’s interesting. So caffeine.

Speaker 2 31:26
Here’s the thing I got my genetic tests done. And from Wendy, actually, next health and I always thought that I was really sensitive to caffeine. Yep. Because as I said, stimulants, like get me to stimulated but I love the taste of coffee so much like you are you have the best coffee to I don’t know where you get your coffee yet, at peak rain, but gnomes that deliver it and do you have really good coffee every time I come in there, if it’s like five an afternoon or something like I really shouldn’t, but I got to do it. So I love coffee, but I’ve always thought I was really sensitive. But I did the genetic testing. It turns out I’m a really fast metabolizer of caffeine. So you know, I don’t know if it’s just because I sometimes drink black coffee and it kind of hits me too fast. If it’s not mixed with fat, or maybe some of the coffee is moldy. I know we’ve had discussions about the existence of moldy coffee and if it’s just a bulletproof marketing scheme, or if that’s really true, I can definitely say if I go into Starbucks and have like a tall black coffee, I’m going to feel like jumping off a bridge like there’s something in it that’s not a green was several times

Speaker 1 32:27
the caffeine of a nice premium we make you a pour over at peak it’s you know, probably got 100 milligrams of caffeine or something in it. And when you get like a 16 ounce coffee at Starbucks, it’s I don’t what the numbers are like 250 300 milligrams, okay, so it’s and also they typically do very dark, heavy roasts, okay, which means a lot more char a lot more of the sort of burned off oils, which produce that darker flavor, right? So might be more acidic that way you might be more sensitive to those sorts of things we always use just FYI, super light roasts, right? PP always is very light roast, grind it very, very fine. And the other trick we have and why coffee is so good is it’s usually roasted about two days before you’re having it. Oh, really? Yeah, we get most of our coffee from place up in Portland called seven virtues. Oh, cool. And we have relationships with those guys. They have a relationship with all the farms they get their coffee from and so they like do their you know, roaster selection on a Sunday shipped to us on a Monday we have it on a Tuesday or Wednesday. And then for the next few days, we’re using like incredibly fresh small batch coffee.

Speaker 2 33:28
Okay, so I’m it’s not just in my mind, it actually is really, really good. Because I don’t know if I always just like maybe when it’s psychosomatic when I come into peak brain, I just crave coffee because I know my brain is gonna get a workout. I’m doing like a focus centered training. But I’m like, Hi, this is so good, like the taste of it. So now, just as an experiment to see how I do without caffeine because I’m pretty dependent on it for energy. Yeah, I mean, like, I gotta have it. But I just got involved with this company called neuro hacker collective. Oh, yeah, sure. Daniel

Speaker 1 33:59
Daniel. Expected work was on the show while he was here. That’s great. Yeah, awesome. I strap in it’s a little hard to keep up Daniel on a podcast good

Speaker 2 34:08
and I’m gonna listen to your episode and in preparation for it but so I’ve been on something called qualia which is the product that it’s like a nootropic stack. It’s just dude, it’s insane. Yeah, very stimulating. It is so good. Yeah, like, I’ve it’s been three days you take like three pills in the morning and later on you eat something you take six more than the six you take after it’s called Step two, kind of more of a multivitamin kind of thing that’s supportive of the yep nootropic stack in the ones you take before but I don’t know it’s stimulating but in a different I don’t get nervous yet. Like I do sometimes with caffeine, but I gotta say like, my brain is turned on and I’ve tried all the rest of times. I mean, anything I’ve ever heard of that is good for memory focused cognition, any that I’ve tried, and this one is like insane. So that’s why I’m doing the no caffeine experiment because I want to really isolate it. Today I cheated. I put a little bit of phenibut HCl in there. Oh, okay. Just because I just, you know, I like that GABA. Yeah. Feeling down. It’s like being drunk without, but still being focused.

Speaker 1 35:12
There’s there’s l theanine, I think and quality, right? Or,

Speaker 2 35:15
I’m not sure it’s there’s a lot of stuff. Yeah, there’s that’d

Speaker 1 35:19
be a can be, you know, dangerous for listeners who’ve heard about phenibut phenibut. HCl. It’s basically alcohol on a pill, in terms of its effects. And if you use it once you’re like, Oh, my God, I feel so relaxed or the best night’s sleep ever. I was Mr. Social at the party. Yeah. But if you use it the next day, and the day after that, suddenly, you’re addicted to it. Like you’ve been drinking a bottle of alcohol for like six months? Yes. It’s incredibly rapid. And I know people who are, you know, shall we say, experienced Psychonauts, who’ve done everything under the sun, including lots of crazy things that you probably shouldn’t do. And a few days into trying fed abuse, they’re profoundly addicted. Yeah, so it’s one of these things that maybe it’s individual about chemistry, but you can get very quickly in trouble with some of these. Some of these things. I agree.

Speaker 2 36:06
I agree. Yeah. phenibut I, I had a friend that was not for recreational purposes, but physically just had really bad back and she was addicted to OxyContin and so she was like, addicted to opiates for real and, and she was out here on a trip from New York and she was running out of her opiates. And so we’re like, oh, man, her doctors not out here. Right, right. You’re gonna get really sick you can’t just quit taking oxycontin you know, she had like a really injured back and son and I was doing some research and it was like lo and behold phenibut is like a substitute for it’s a it treats withdrawals opiate withdrawal. So I was like, great, so I gave her like the real dose one day she’s like, Oh my God, I feel amazing. This is perfect. I’ll be able to make it a few more days and then the next day she’s like, I don’t know give me more. I like that stuff. I was like, okay, so probably put like half a teaspoon or something in a drink for her and she got so sick. He really really bombed

Unknown Speaker 36:57
like like like Dizzy Yeah,

Speaker 2 36:59
Dizzy really not feeling well at all. So I was like, oh shit, you really need to pay attention with the phenibut you’re right with the you know if it has a tiny little scoop and you’re like, what’s that going to do? Trust me like I’ve Oh deed on I’ve Oh, deed on. On yo, Hemby too. Oh, that can be dangerous, too. Oh, yeah, dude, I almost drove myself to cedars. And I was it was right before I recorded a podcast, the guest shows up and I was like, I might die at any moment. So if you see me thread over, but I’ve phenibut for me, I’ve what I do is I just cycle it. Like, there’s no way I’ll take it two days in a row ticket a couple of times a week, because I can tell when it’s not doing anything. I haven’t noticed any adverse effects. But I can tell when I don’t get that nice thing. So I save it for special occasions like I did it today because I knew it’s gonna come record and if I’m doing public speaking or like you said, or something where I’m gonna have to be really social. It is a nice sort of social lubricant, but you don’t feel intoxicated, right? I mean, I can’t do stuff that makes me feel intoxicated or I could go off the wagon and end up in LA County Jail in about two hours you know? So I always say when people ask me like why don’t you drink this I’m allergic they say what happens is uh well I break out in handcuffs I’ve heard other people say I break out and track marks now. I wouldn’t go that far but yeah, I definitely I have to be careful you know, in terms of taking stuff that gets you high

Speaker 1 38:17
and it also mean interactions right? I mean, if you had fun a bit and then had a glass of alcohol on top of it, you might be in dangerous Yeah, degree of interaction and the you hinder you mentioned, the interaction there is with tyramine. You know about this. So tyramine is what you don’t take if you’re on MAO inhibitors, oh, smoked meats, fish, cheese, wine, coffee. All those deep savory smoky kind of things have tyramine in them. And if you are on MAO inhibitor, and you take tyramine, you can have a hypertensive crisis that spikes your blood pressure so quickly that you have strokes and heart attacks and die. Holy crap. So it sounds like if you were shaky and having like a heart pounding thing, you probably had some chocolate with your UMB, you know, or nuts,

Unknown Speaker 39:03
I think, I don’t remember what I had. But

Unknown Speaker 39:05
if you aren’t paying attention to diet

Speaker 2 39:06
when, okay, when you take I got heavy because I was experimenting with the aphrodisiac effects of it. And that’s why most people take it, but this was one morning and I was just really tired. And I know that it’s also a really strong stimulant to I wasn’t, you know, there was no partner around to practice with. So I was like, oh, I’ll just you know, I’ll take a little bit in my smoothie, whatever we up, you know, but the dose for the yo Hemby is like a match head. That’s how big was like a wooden match had like a tiniest little coke spoon. And so that’s the only thing I’ve ever done is that much and you get the desired effect that you’re looking for. But i What happened was I had a tiny little bottle and I went to like scoop some out and I spilled the whole jar in my smoothie. And I was like, oh shit, I didn’t want to waste it and it was all floating on the top. So I just scooped the OMB out of my smoothie. I was like, I’m good. But apparently there was probably a lot left in there. Yeah, and Dude, within 15 minutes, my heart started beating out of my chest. I turned red. I mean, I was at a hypertensive crisis. Oh, dude, I was not feeling good. I took two saunas. I took like three cold showers. I took a bunch of activated charcoal. I took a calcium Bentonite clay like zeolites. I mean, I was just like, trying to flush it out. And still it went on for about four hours. Oh, I live really close to cedars. That’s important. So I was like, any moment I’m driving myself for calling an ambulance is um, it was that close? I’ve never felt that weird. Like,

Speaker 1 40:34
yeah, my guess is there was there was some time or means in your smoothie or something else. You had to get a lot in your system chocolate before a lot of nuts. Something because that sounds like what happens when you don’t pay attention and have tire means with MAOIs in your system. Wow.

Speaker 2 40:49
So yeah, it was it was it was gnarly. It just really suck to because I was trying to record I’m like the host of the show that sweating. Yeah. And I was just like, you know, breathing really fast and weird. And my heart was beating Yeah, but this is what’s good. You know, this is why I’m the lifestyle list. I’m you know, I’m sort of like the Johnny Knoxville of the health world. You know, I’m willing to willing to take a hit, you know, for the team to let people know, like, Hey, this is a cool thing to play with. But be careful. You know, like Tim Ferriss does a lot of that stuff, too. I wouldn’t do a lot of stuff Tim Ferriss does, but I’m glad he does. So I don’t have to do it. Right, exactly. You know, go find a judo master and get your arm snapped in half or something like I’m good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 41:27
What’s he doing now? Is he doing is it is it fighting? He’s doing now he’s doing all sorts of hardcore training here and he’s boxing gym. Well, he’s

Speaker 2 41:35
always bandaged up you know, so I’m like, whatever he’s doing. I’m not. I’m not doing anything that requires getting banned.

Speaker 1 41:42
Yeah, Neurofeedback painless. Totally. Yeah, that’s great. All right. So it sounds like a lot of things that you’re trying. What are some things that you’re either just starting to get into or you’re curious about doing biohack wishlist items are?

Speaker 2 41:55
Interesting. Yeah, there is actually a device that I just tried the other day, that’s called the amp coil. And I’ve played around with P EMF technology here in there. And I’ve also played around with

Speaker 1 42:11
what is it? Not Tesla, TMS? Know,

Speaker 2 42:15
the little light tubes they use for cancer? Man, I can’t think of it right now. Not enough qualia this morning. It’s Tesla tech. No, it’s not Tesla technology. It’s PMF with Oh my God.

Unknown Speaker 42:30
Is it a light stimulation thing

Speaker 2 42:32
or now? Dude, it’s the thing they’ve used for cancer here. Hang on. I’ll tell you what it is right here. The amp coil is this device that uses two of these different technologies. And I’ll tell you what it is. Drumroll please. Nice. I can’t believe I’m not thinking of it. Okay, haven’t yet tried. Okay, so it’s Tesla based P EMF. Okay. And as in tesla coil

Unknown Speaker 43:01
not yet. So Elon Musk? Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 2 43:03
exactly. And then oh, rife, right. rife? Techno. Okay, yeah. So over the course of all my wacky alternative healing stuff that I’ve tried, I’ve used rife machines. And the one that I’ve used is it’s like a little laptop computer. And it essentially reads biorhythms within your body and then sends frequencies into your body to break up parasites and things like that. So it can say like, Oh, you have H Pylori, and it sends a frequency into your body that cracks the H. Pylori. So, in theory, sort of like an opera singer breaking of wineglass, you know, that kind of thing. Like it, there’s a certain frequency for all of these organisms. So in the rife, you, you hold these little glass tubes, and they have noble gases in them, it’s really trippy, but you hold those things. And again, it’s one of those kind of Alpha Theta things, you just go into some trippy land, and you come out like feeling really good. So the amp coil combines both of those technologies. And it’s really interesting because it’s got this big magnet, a big copper magnet, like a giant donut. And you either set that on your head or on your abdomen, depending on what the protocol is. And so it sends this crazy tesla coil PMF signal to you according to whatever it’s trying to treat in conjunction with the other technology. So with the rife, so how it determines what it is that you need is through voice recognition. So it’s got like an iPad sort of interface, and you go A e i, o, u, whatever you just say random stuff that it tells you to say and it listens for it has these very advanced algorithms that determines in discrepancies in your nervous system, or whatever it is, according to your voice, it’s really trippy. So I went on it for one day for like three hours. And again, same kind of experience just in and out of all these things. I walked in there I was having terrible anxiety that day because of some relationship stuff and did like a number of different sessions for maybe three, two or three hours or something. And it was incredible, but I got the whole spiel from them. And I’m going to be working with that some more. because the woman that turned me on to it had like all of these gut infections and digestive problems for years, and she tried herbal remedies and functional medicine and she didn’t everything that I would normally do myself or send someone to do. And she’s like, Dude, I did a three month protocol. I followed all you know, everything in the app, and I just did everything by the book According this thing. And she got rid of everything by doing that and said her guide and her digestion are just like, absolutely cured. Like she never had a problem in her life. So interesting. Yeah, so those kinds of things I really like it’s like, you never know how much of its woowoo and how much of it Yeah, that’s tough

Speaker 1 45:34
and the biohacking in the health and medicine space, that’s not traditional health and medicine. This is a this is something I struggle with all the time. I work in neurofeedback, which is you know, which, of course, is fairly well evidence based, from the point of view of most of the things in the art world incredibly well validated, but from a point of view of most of the things traditional world is not all that well validated. And so, you know, for me as a scientist, I have to sort of draw a line in the sand okay, this is over that line, therefore, I’m not gonna engage with it. This is within that, you know, relative line. Rife has been one of those things. It’s one of the far side of the line for me for a long time. But PMF is not I mean, there’s a there’s a lot of Neurofeedback being done with in conjunction with P EMF Oh, really? Yeah, interesting. It’s incredibly low voltage PMF, like, you know, piko volts or something, it’s not the same kind of EMF, you would use a PMF from those coils. It’s incredible. You know, it’s 1/1000 of that, but it uses its company called neuro field and actually make the cue EEG amps that we use the brain assessment amps that we use, but they also make a P EMF device that can stimulate at different frequencies sites on your head. And then you can do Neurofeedback on the resulting EEG that shows up, so you can measure the EEG do real time neurofeedback, but then push the EEG around with PMF and then do more Neurofeedback to sort of cement the process. That’s amazing. It’s exciting technology. I haven’t gotten into it yet. Mostly because I have pretty good results with the way we work. Yeah, you know, and I tend to fall there’s there’s another stimulation technology Neurofeedback that I don’t use anymore called lens low energy neurofeedback, and there’s a similar one called HPn, highperformance neurofeedback. And these are essentially essentially series of stimulations along areas in the scalp. And they seem to work very well for damage for traumatic brain injuries and things. Because I work with all brains, I’m not just working with damage, I find that things like that don’t work as well for sleep issues or anxiety or stuff like that. Interesting. And so I tend to use the tools I use because they work pretty well. I’m not really religious about the tools, but I am religious about the science that’s coming to say,

Speaker 2 47:44
well, that that’s the thing with me, too, is like, I want to know if like, there’s the placebo and there’s a subjective effect. Like I went on the amp coil. I was like, This is amazing. There’s something going on here just intuitively, I don’t know if it’s the right if it’s the what is what would really be cool is to like, which I just actually got my whole gut biome tested, and there was nothing crazy there. But there’s a little bacteria a little Candida. So let me look at my labs, then go use the amp coil for three months then we’ll get my labs done. Do it again. And that’s what I’m after. So right now I’m doing another experiment with I have really like almost lead poisoning. I have a lot of lead and my body’s like good. Yeah, and pretty decent amount of arsenic and mercury. It’s really sucks. So I found that out with a challenge urine test, which is where you do a post and a pre urine test to determine how much is just in your body versus if you ate some tuna or something right. And I had a test in the past three years with functional medicine. I’m always really high in lead. I’m like, I don’t want to do the IV chelation. I just don’t want to do it it just intuitively My body’s like no

Speaker 1 48:43
it’s also quite stressful for your body and the chelating agents are pretty extreme and you know if they’re not done properly, you can actually get pretty profoundly ill from those and so, Keeley and get also chelation, there’s some there’s some question it doesn’t make more sense to leave the let alone versus stir it up inside your body. So

Speaker 2 49:01
So here’s my my latest experiment is I’m doing this citrus pectin. Oh, okay. Yeah, which they use, you know, at Chernobyl and stuff, get radiation out of people and then I’m also using something called Bio PHE LOM bio philam which is a brown seaweed extract Okay, which they’ve also used to get metals and radiation out of people they use it like in Gulf War Syndrome and stuff like that. I mean, it’s pretty hardcore. And so I’m doing both of those. And then I’m also doing niacin flushes sauna. Yep, yep. So I’m gonna go for I just got my labs done I’m gonna go six months with those three modalities like religiously think of my labs done and see if I moved the needle. Yeah, on the metals, you know, because I have a feeling I will now lead they say gets into your bones and like, what are you going to do? It’s just in there, but

Speaker 1 49:51
lead acts like calcium, basically, and not just in your bones but like in your neurons, you know? Physiological science professor minute to joke that life is a battle against calcium ions, you’re always trying to shuttle calcium out of the cell essentially. And then it comes back in as a signaling molecule. And life is about balancing that, that shuttling of calcium back and forth. But lead looks like calcium to cells and binds to calcium receptors usually doesn’t bind in a way that’s reversible, it sticks the receptor. And that’s it. There’s just no longer usable by calcium ever again. And so that’s probably what’s happening, the bones, it’s been incorporated the way calcium would be. That being said, bone is not static tissue. It’s dynamic tissue of osteoclasts and osteoblasts, that consume and build bone. It’s a dynamic process. So I bet if you add weight bearing exercise, things to stress your bones, you’ll cause more dynamic turnover of bone tissue.

Speaker 2 50:46
Just a hunch. Interesting, I wonder if vibration therapy would maybe would also do the same, you know,

Speaker 1 50:51
vibration therapy sounds really exciting to me. And I got excited about when I first heard about it, and I failed to find one shred of actual

Speaker 2 50:57
science. We’re looking at but about, like building bone density. Yeah, I

Speaker 1 51:02
mean, nothing. I’ve looked and found nothing about any real effect.

Speaker 2 51:05
There’s no funny like, in the health world, there’s these memes. Like I just hear one person say like, well, they use it on astronauts when they come back into the atmosphere to build bone density. Yeah, Lost in Space. Okay, that’s what it does.

Speaker 1 51:15
Yeah. I mean, it seems like it’d be interesting, but I have to believe that challenging the bone tissue while doing things to strip out crap that’s in your bone tissue would do something, even though the conventional wisdom is that lead gets in and stays in? I bet that’s like, that probably is not completely true. That’s interesting. So you may want to add another protocol in to do that.

Speaker 2 51:38
I can do that. Yeah, so that. So I, you know, I like the woowoo stuff. And I like just out there shit, sugar technology, but I also just love to see if there’s an actual quantifiable result. You know, I do have a little bit of that scientific mind where I’m like, I don’t want it to all be wishful thinking, right? Like, I want to see an A B test and show me that something’s going on.

Speaker 1 51:58
Yeah, and you know, don’t get me wrong. I’m not that I have to understand everything about what I do. And I wouldn’t do neurofeedback, if I do I joke that it’s a phenomena we manage half the time, not some. Oh, yeah, sure. Let’s go in and fix your brain. Actually joke that I’m sort of halfway between a personal trainer and a mechanic. But that’s giving the mechanic perspective, way too much benefit, we really don’t understand the machine to that degree. But that being said, if there’s a technology that I don’t understand, that’s fine. If it’s a technology that people are saying works for X y&z reasons that I know x y&z is utter nonsense. That’s when I like wait a minute that no, that’s not how reality works. The thing you’re saying your reasons for justifying and if those are wrong, I’ve discredited what you know your technology. I don’t know if you give me I don’t know why it works. But it works. I’m much more likely to say oh, yeah, let’s check it out. Versus it works because it helps the third moon of Chiron, when your ascendant and Jupiter treat your chakra is better. It’s like really come up. Well, that’s you

Speaker 2 52:55
just described Kundalini Yoga. You know, it’s like Yogi Bhajan says that this does this to your kidneys and this heals your past lives. And this sets your grandpa free and heaven you’re like, I don’t you know, can you prove it? No, but after class, I feel really good. Right? Exactly. I have a hard time with some of that stuff too, as out there and Sedona vibe,

Speaker 1 53:14
it also it also can be damaging, I mean, you know, there’s there’s a lot of damage going on these days with the anti Vax sort of movement. You know, there’s 00, not one shred of evidence that vaccines encourage autism, not one shred of evidence. And a bad study 20 years ago, and a lot of fear mongering has meant that a lot of parents have pulled kids off of vaccines, they don’t get vaccinated early on, and they get life threatening illnesses. If you get the measles vaccine at two years old or whatever it is, for the next 20 years your health status has dramatically improved compared to if you don’t get the measles vaccine. Because Measles is an opportunistic virus. If you get it, it degrades your immune system long term. And you’re subject to all these other infections. And then of course, you know, we had in Disneyland here a couple years ago, massive measles outbreaks because of unvaccinated individuals. And you know, there’s no reason for us to have this polio outbreaks happening in the world now because of this. The no reason for us to have measles, rubella, polio diseases we understand extremely well and have been treating effectively for like 100 years, maybe 50 years. But the it’s it’s this adherence to a bit of misinformation. That’s faith, right. That’s and I think that we need some faith thinking about that we believe our science, but if you adhere to the, the bad information strongly without the ability to examine it that I think causes you know, can cause a lot of problems. Yeah,

Speaker 2 54:44
that’s interesting with the vaccine someone was asked me about that the other day and you know, I’m by no means an expert, but I said, you know, from a layman’s point of view, just being interested in this and reading everything I can, I’m like, seems like some of them are valid, but we probably do too many.

Speaker 1 54:58
Yeah, no. I’d say there’s plenty that we probably do too many in terms of stressing the body out right? Now, they can probably spread out a little bit, right. But like the form of mercury that’s used in large batch vaccines will a that’s not really used in this country anymore. But be it’s not the same form of mercury that just gets absorbed by the body. It’s an Shamsul versus methyl or something. So it’s a form that passes straight through with no grab our interests. So it has zero impact. And so people hold up these arsenic, mercury and small and that’s not really true. It’s sexy, it’s inflammatory. It’s a big attention getter. But there’s zero evidence there. I mean, yes, there are vaccines that occasionally cause trouble. But by and large, we don’t have any evidence of any of that

Speaker 2 55:39
funny. That’s funny people. Yeah, it’s interesting, the way that we kind of just go along with with information like that information

Speaker 1 55:46
that fits our worldview, we tend to absorb information that doesn’t fit our worldview, we tend to not even perceive Yeah,

Speaker 2 55:51
well, you know, the trippy other side of that, though, Andrew was like, I mean, not in terms of the vaccines is dumb. I really don’t know enough about all of it. I just have like, an inherent distrust for every part of that big establishment. Sure. I’m not sure gotta be bad for you if they’re doing it. But the in terms of empirical evidence, you know, it’s in the woowoo thing, and I like talking to you about this because you’re, you know, you’re into metaphysics and spirituality, but you’re also very scientific. So that’s, that’s a good balance to have. But what’s trippy is there’s so many things that have an effect on us that just can’t be proven. It’s like, how do you prove the effect of love? Yeah, you know, it’s like when you walk into a room and puppies wagging its tail, like the one in the other room there has proved to me that that’s not making me feel good. To me. That is why I don’t know because I like puppies because I watch cartoons. No, there’s something going on between our energies or our consciousness or something that transmits a feeling of love to me, and it makes me feel elevated.

Speaker 1 56:46
And proof isn’t needed. I mean, subjectively, you’re getting the benefits, right? It’s when the proof you’re claiming or disclose or disbelieving. It’s when other people believing or disbelieving that affects their health negatively. Like if you went and said everyone must have a puppy. It probably wouldn’t affect very many people’s health negatively. Right. But as you said, nobody can exercise ever again. It’s bad for you would have massive we already do but would have increased heart disease and everything else. So it’s really this it’s this strict adherence to these ideas blindly. Be it science, or be it spirituality or be it an unproven you know, health intervention. It’s the blind adherence that tends to make me go oh, wait, hold on a second. You know, right. And if you’re buzzword compliant, there’s one Neurofeedback system out there, where all of their like cadre of marketers are saying nonlinear, nonlinear, nonlinear. And I asked somebody, what do you mean by that? Nonlinear? I have a degree in neuroscience, I do nonlinear modeling of the brain, you know, not the modeling of differential equations and things. What are you talking about when you say your system is nonlinear? And they can’t answer that, because it’s a buzzword that they figured out and other buzzwords in the health and medicine and wellness and biohacking space that really drives me nuts include things like detox, or quantum. I’m sorry, if you use the word Quantum. And you’re not a theoretical physicist, out of my face, you know, like, Yeah, this is there’s a marketing and there’s sexy language that people believe. And I think you need to be Oh, that’s one of those words, that if you’re saying that you don’t know what you’re saying, right.

Speaker 2 58:22
That’s funny. The Quantum thing. Yeah, there’s a lot of that in the new agey sort of medicine, you know. Yeah, I mean, that’s the in terms of like, the amp coil and all these different kinds of gadgets. That’s like, I like the idea of experimenting with that stuff, and testing it, but the thing is, with all that is everything’s like, 510 15 $20,000, you know, so it’s like,

Speaker 1 58:43
especially the first wife, suitcases 25 30,000, you know, yeah, massive, exact analog device,

Speaker 2 58:49
you know, and I’ve been on all of that kind of stuff. But it is kind of difficult from that perspective, because a lot of the languaging is like, Was that really even a thing when it makes it? Like the quantum where that’s so true, I thought about that, but it’s like, it works on a quantum level. I’m like, Okay, here’s 10 grand, right, exactly what you said quantum, where’s my credit card?

Speaker 1 59:09
Exactly. And that’s, and to me, you don’t have to believe what you’re doing. And you don’t have to understand it fully. But if you if things fail the sniff test, because they’re using because they’re actually saying things that aren’t true to justify why this thing works. I’m not saying it doesn’t work, but the reason you’ve given me has turned me off completely to what it is you’re talking about. Yeah. So that’s the that’s the line that try to walk is to go is what you’re saying plausible? And does it fit with roughly with my idea about how reality and physics works? You know, there’s a Neurofeedback system out there that trains below one hertz point 00001 hertz, which means that one waves happening like every like three weeks or something. Any EEG that in physics is the Nyquist theorem for sampling eg you need to sample twice as long as the wave you want to make measure one measure theta wave, which happens four hertz, four times per second, it’s 250 milliseconds, gotta measure for half a second to get one data wave to get signal processing theory. At point 00001 hertz, you can’t measure long enough and half an hour of training to get any effect to measure the wave, you’re supposedly, you know, rewarding or inhibiting. So it’s things like that. It’s when the language and the explanations for the science starts to break down by people that should know better. That’s when I’m like, All right, you’re just go away. You know? Well, that’s

Speaker 2 1:00:31
the that’s the advantage you have of being highly educated and the disadvantage of people like me that have fallen for a lot of snake oil, you know, maybe

Speaker 1 1:00:38
I mean, although I just got back last night from a five day workshop retreat. Basically, I was on a mountain of Sufi mountaintop in upstate New York, and we leased the center out for the week. And we do you know, ecstatic work and shamanic work and drumming and tattooing and everything all night long. And is there any scientific rigor in my understanding, we do not at all. I understand it from an ecstatic, you know, shamanic point of view about the ordeal. And Mercedes Eliade pushing your mind and changing your consciousness. And from a aesthetic point of view, I understand what’s happening to my consciousness, I’m shifting the shape of my perspective, from a neuroscience point of view, it’s a non starter, I have no idea what consciousness is. In fact, I don’t actually believe in consciousness from both a neuroscience and a Buddhist perspective, I’m not sure consciousness really exists. I

Speaker 2 1:01:25
remember you telling that to me before and I was like, Haha, but then who’s the one watching? When you meditate? Like, who’s the one that sees your Yeah, emotions flare up, you see a little wave of anger. And then you you see a repetitive thought, like, Who’s the one observing, observing that phenomenon? You know, I

Speaker 1 1:01:43
would suggest it’s a moment of consciousness, little see, without a who, without an eye, a capital C consciousness that persists across moments of consciousness, I think moments of consciousness are an emergent property. And we can get away from the maybe the soul, maybe there’s not made as a mind, whatever. It’s an emergent property. I think it’s, it’s pretty valid. But the overarching connection of those moments of emergent consciousness into the capital C or the capital I self, I’m not sure I have any belief in that. And you know, I sort of take a Ship of Theseus old school view on this replace one plank of the ship, you know, wooden ship with a tin plank. Is it the same ship? Yeah. Was another plank on the ship with a 10 ship with a 10? Plank? Is it the same ship? Yeah, at what point does the does the entity the identity of the entity different? And in consciousness, it it from my perspective, it’s different than immediately. And even the the meatsuit, you know, we replace every molecule in all of our cells every, what, seven years or so not every cell gets divides, but every cell repairs and replaces molecules, and you don’t have any of the molecules you had a decade ago. So none of what you were carrying around 20 years ago, when you had some of this out of control dysregulated behavior is with you now. All right, guys, got it. It’s having memories in spite of having the memories and experience learning. Yeah. But is that learning necessarily identity? Right, that’s where it all breaks down. For me.

Speaker 2 1:03:11
That’s interesting. So it’s almost from that perspective, then there’s just one giant consistent consciousness and we tap into that for moments is that I

Speaker 1 1:03:22
would say there’s no consistent consciousness is only the consequence of action and dependent origination from a Buddhist perspective, things exist, and they exist because of things that happened before them. But I mean, I’m a Tera, Vaada, sort of Buddhist basic technique, no cosmology. And for me, the question about what happens beyond the physical realm or the cosmology of creation, the universe stuff, is not only to some extent, not knowable, but it’s the wrong question. You know, what’s what, what is what? It’s very possible for us to reduce suffering, improve health, etc, etc, etc. Now, and we aren’t doing that. So do that. And worry about if you have a self or soul or consciousness outside of the momentary experience. Well, will that change how you behave? We’d be nicer if you have a soul. Do you think you have a soul? Right? Maybe? I

Speaker 2 1:04:13
think for me, I’ll just worry about my problems less. Okay. No, I mean, it’s like, I know that this is temporary, whatever it is that I’m going through. But if there’s no

Speaker 1 1:04:23
self, then your problems don’t really matter. That’s true. You know? Yeah,

Speaker 2 1:04:27
that’s true. So I wonder what happens then I have this book called I think it’s called The Big Book of Near Death Experiences. It’s like this big tome of a book and in the book, all these people describe essentially what happens when their physical body dies. Say they’re being operated on in the emergency room and they you know, flatline and then they are floating up in the corner of the room. They watch all the doctors, they hear everything that said and then draw, they bring them back, resuscitate them, and then they come back like yeah, Dr. Smith You just said this to a doctor, or whatever, you know. And it’s like, what that F just happened and that those things are so sort of universal.

Speaker 1 1:05:08
They are not to poke a stick my, my pin the balloon again. Yeah,

Speaker 2 1:05:13
no, I love it because this is the kind of shit that I love to talk about and just trip on because we really don’t, we

Speaker 1 1:05:19
really don’t know. And keeping that perspective is the first healthy thing we have to do is go we don’t know. Yeah, but we can, we can think about what might be true. And from a scientific point of view, neuroscience point of view, there’s a company that produced a device, a friend of mine who recently died helped develop the algorithm for it. And the device is called the bias spectral index by aspect medical and what the bias spectral index does, it measures the coupling of theta to gamma waves, the timing coupling in the brain. Turns out that timing coupling is precise. And if you break that coupling, you lose consciousness. And if you have that coupling, you are conscious, you can look unconscious, but be conscious. And the amount of conscious under anesthesia experiences that happened in surgical centers was very, very high, I think, for most of surgery. And then in the 80s, or 90s, probably late 90s, maybe even like 2000 for one aspect medical came in suddenly, there was almost no and aesthetic sort of, you know, mistake where you’re, you think the person’s unconscious, but they’re actually perceiving. So I’d be really curious to see if out of body experiences near death experiences in surgical context have gone away with the implementation of this bio spectral index device, in almost every hospital in the Western world. Interesting. So I’m not sure what the answer is there. But we have a data point that some grad student could get a dissertation. That’s

Speaker 2 1:06:49
cool. That’s cool. Yeah. What about what about the, the unified field or the unified mind where, you know, I’m thinking of my friend, Jeff, and my comment, I gotta call Jeff. And then Jeff calls, you know, this type of things. And I’ve found with certain relationships, it’s just uncanny. It’s nonstop, or where you complete someone’s sentence or Yeah, you know, you’re like, Hey, have you ever thought about you know, skipping a rock across a lake? And they’re like, Dude, I was just about to say, Do you want to go skip rocks cross a lake, like some random shit that? I don’t know, you didn’t know, Santa movie, you know, there’s no, like, other context for it that would like spring, both of your memories at the same time. It’s just solely random, that

Speaker 1 1:07:27
were there. There is something that you didn’t perceive at a conscious level aware level, and it’s more unconscious and

Speaker 2 1:07:34
right, like when you hear when you hear a pop song on the radio, and then like, five hours later, you find yourself singing or like, that’s weird. Why did that pop into my head? It’s like, No, you just heard it like in Korea.

Speaker 1 1:07:44
Maybe you were on a bus and you saw a sign. And then they think about the thing on the sign or something. So I don’t know it was a short answer. But unified consciousness positing something we have no evidence of, versus a queueing theory of memory that we have lots of evidence for. You may have a sense of what’s coming down in this. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:00
So so I love it. Dude.

Speaker 1 1:08:01
I will stop being a woowoo Scrooge here for a second. And this has been a great hour, Luke, so much. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Before we let you go, where can folks track you down? Find more information about the things you’re working on? Where can they check out your school of fashion? Where can they check out the podcast? Sure.

Speaker 2 1:08:20
Well, I think most people listening to your show probably aren’t that interested in becoming a fashion stylist. That visit is called School of style. But you know, that’s just that’s how I buy vitamins, you know. But my podcast is called The Life stylist and you can find it on iTunes. And then most of my stuff happens on my website, which is Luke story.com. Right. And I work with people in a coaching capacity and stuff like that people that are interested in things that I’ve been talking about. I’m pretty good at lifestyle design and offend someone kind of put all this stuff together for themselves. And then I’m also really big on Instagram too. So I’m always on Instagram at Luke story, that’s s t o r e y. And I do a lot of Instagram stories and crazy stuff. You know, like everything that we just talked about all documented all the time when I’m doing things like that. So that’s a great place to connect as well. Alright

Speaker 1 1:09:07
folks, this has been another episode of headfirst. Dr. Hill today’s guest Luke story, who is a consummate life stylist will help you dial in all kinds of health, wellness and performance benefits. If you’re curious about operating in the somewhat Wild West space of biohacking. Look them up. And folks take care of your brains and we’ll see you next week.


Luke Storey

Luke Storey has spent over 20 years developing and refining the ultimate lifestyle, based on powerful principles of health and spirituality.

As a transformational coach, public speaker, and entrepreneur, Luke continues to share his strategies for healing and happiness to corporate as well as private clients, through his innovative and highly effective lifestyle design coaching system, Youtube channel, and wildly popular podcast, The Life Stylist.

Since 2008, Luke has also served as Founder and CEO at School of Style, the nation’s most prominent fashion school for stylists.

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