Ep12 - Nourishing Our Bodies and Minds with Wendi Michelle

Health coach, author and nutrition entrepreneur, Wendi Michelle discusses optimizing health, nurishing our bodies, healing ourselves, reversing her late stage lyme disease, cryotherapy, neurofeedback training, and the “brain cocktail.”

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Wendi Michelle, a health coach, author, and nutrition entrepreneur, delves into topics such as enhancing health, nourishing our bodies, self-healing, overcoming late-stage Lyme disease, exploring cryotherapy, undergoing neurofeedback training, and the concept of the “brain cocktail.”

The podcast with Wendi Michelle covers:

-Health and wellness with a biohacker.
-Transitioning from corporate job to entrepreneurship for better health education.
-Alternative health methods and their impact on wellness.
-Biohacking, nutrition bars, and new food products.
-Cryotherapy and IV therapy for pain and inflammation.
-Personalized health and wellness.
-Maintaining structure and self-care as an entrepreneur.
-Exercise, fasting, and brain health.
-Genetic testing and personalized health recommendations.
-Naturopathic treatment and its effects on the body.
-Meditation and brainwaves.
-Self-care, trust, and brain function.
-Nootropics and their potential side effects.
-Neurofeedback sessions and their impact on emotions and productivity.
-Neurofeedback, brain cocktails, and personalized health.

Speaker 1 0:10
Welcome to another episode of headfirst with Dr. Hill. Today’s guest is Wendy Michelle who is a consummate intrapreneur health professional wellness professional bio hacker. I’m not sure what Wendy doesn’t do so that’s a very low key intro no no pressure at all. When he’s one of the founding partners were founding members of a next health a alternative next generation Wellness Center in West Hollywood. And you do all kinds of interesting manipulations on people’s bodies. Most of my staff been over there right here, but I haven’t yet made it over there. So we’ll pick your brain a little bit. But when do you want to start by telling us who you are in this wellness space? What kind of things are you involved with? Sure.

Speaker 2 0:53
So whenever I started in fitness, actually, I kind of took the route into where I am now. So fitness, bodybuilding, supplementation,

Unknown Speaker 1:05
industry on stage posing, and

Speaker 2 1:09
I did that well not bodybuilding. I was a fitness competitor. So it’s it’s a different kind

Unknown Speaker 1:13
of difficult posing, okay,

Speaker 2 1:15
no bicep. So I did that. I was a personal trainer and nutrition coach, right out of high school, so I don’t really even remember a time in my life where I wasn’t doing things like that because even previous to being a career I was doing in high school and I just always loved the gym. I think it’s cool to be strong. So I was fascinated by that. And I easily would say that I’ve been, I guess now what I know is this health hacking, biohacking terminology, probably way back then. I think exercise and diet very much is exactly that. You know, when you realize that when you incorporate certain foods and certain movement, you can shape your body a certain way or you can, you know, be smarter. Sure. That was just kind of like the bread and butter of my life. It was really a passion. It wasn’t my career. Full time. Full time I was a corporate executive, oh for an insurance agency. I did risk management and helped people to read their contracts mitigate risk, make sure that they weren’t taking on any liability that they didn’t need to have. So I was interpreting you know, things like that because that was my day and by night I was doing the fitness stuff. So

Speaker 1 2:32
why did you or what precipitated a leap from the the corporate world working for somebody else doing your own? I mean, I know several different entrepreneurial type things you’re involved with. So what what facilitated mean that leaves a hard leap, going from working for somebody else to working for yourself and I’ve seen you launch multiple projects. So these are all leaps what what what gave you the first push?

Speaker 2 2:54
The first push was thanks to the fitness industry. And being just overall interested in wellness. In the process. I got very sick and realized that I really didn’t know as much as I thought I did about health and once when that was a reality for me, and I had to come face to face with that I got furious about a lot of things. In the industry. I saw a lot of gaps in the health industry as a whole also in the fitness industry and the food industry. There was things that just infuriated me and one that I loved and that is very well analyzed, insistent upon getting better. So that I could spend the rest of my life making sure that people who maybe weren’t as devoted and dedicated to getting past an illness like that, then I at least was a voice for them. So I ended up finding out after years that I had late stage Lyme disease and it had gone neurological. So I was having seizures and I was having I was having terrible paralysis via neuralgia. I just couldn’t stand for long periods of time. So I was on crazy amounts of medication and that was the only medicine that I knew and when my eyes were open to all kind of new science but also things that have been around forever. I was just furious that those weren’t, you know, common conversations with people who are very sick. So

Speaker 1 4:24
we’re given that option. No, it was like here’s the one drug that works to suppress the spiral sheets and let’s hope it works for you. Is that sort of the approach?

Speaker 2 4:31
Yeah, well, that was down the road. First. They were just like, well, we don’t know why you can’t walk. So here’s some OxyContin and Percocet and some Klonopin and some I mean, you name it, it was in my it was in my bag. And that was the only option that I had and then when I went into the alternative options then I learned about traditional Chinese traditional Chinese medicine and homeopathy and IV therapy and all the other things that you know, really weren’t that strange. And once I, once I did get that’s when I kind of made the leap out of the corporate environment. And decided that it was time to go make sure that people EdgeRank were educated about this stuff, and at least knew that there were other options that weren’t necessarily even super expensive. So I I literally gave everything I owned away. I drove my car back to the bank, and I quit my job, and I moved to Nashville, Tennessee, and I grabbed a car off Craigslist and that didn’t fit in the cart didn’t go oh my goodness. Yeah, I didn’t I didn’t want anything to prevent the time I was able to give so wherever there was an ability to empower other people to do it in order to pay my bills. You don’t really want to give it away. It’s a very

Speaker 1 5:49
sort of monastic. Do the sacrifice thing so you can pursue the calling.

Unknown Speaker 5:56
It was very freeing to have a really awesome experience. It’s wonderful

Speaker 1 5:59
that you mean, I love unfortunately, you had to be pushed into that, but it’s wonderful that you got to God has the opportunity not to be a crisis. Absolutely. So what made the biggest impact on the late stage Lyme and the neurologia. Those sorts of things what what actually helped the most Do you think?

Speaker 2 6:16
Zone via intravenous ozone. I did a lot of high dose vitamin C IV therapy. Those seem to really kind of crack the shell I guess of the entire journey. neuropeptide shots Oh, interesting. Well, neuropeptide shots, one of them was called the basal immuno subtype. And that one actually immediately went home, went to sleep woke up at night I could stand

Speaker 1 6:46
next to peptides or was it a specific peptide, or that was pretty interesting. What’s the theory behind ozone is it killing bad storm is of decreasing inflammation. What is the what is those? I’m doing okay. Yeah, all

Speaker 2 6:57
of it. I mean, it’s the list is is pages long of what they’ve found to be capable of doing the everything you just mentioned from, you know, eradicating bacteria and parasites even but also decrease in inflammation and just giving the immune system and ability to do what it was created to do. Interesting.

Speaker 1 7:14
Now is ozone naturally occurring. The body is not is it so it’s probably interacting with like nitric oxide and those sorts of processes of those those gas signaling molecules. Exactly. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. All right. So you sorted yourself out and you have this new calling, and you were this itinerant biohacker lecturing on what people might want to do and find ways to improve their health. sounds sort of like what we do, which is giving you more tools, more options, and it’s about the education and the sort of demystifying a very complicated space. What happened then, like you obviously didn’t travel the world in your little beat up Craigslist cars for the next 10 years because here you are in Los Angeles. So what was the next step in the journey?

Speaker 2 7:52
So in Nashville, I did a lot of health coaching for some of the more difficult demographics. So a lot of musicians I did health coaching for because a lot of times we have this idea of fitness of and health overall that if you don’t follow all the rules, then you’re out like which is not going to work. And, you know, for these people, their career was not being able to sleep, you know, normally, probably not eating really well probably, maybe engaging in you know, drugs, alcohol, so I thought, well,

Speaker 1 8:25
musicians aren’t Early to bed early to rise, eating perfectly body’s a temple. I’m shocked.

Speaker 2 8:33
I was too I was too that’s what happens when you move to Nashville, you learn all kinds of things. So no, but I I just was so passionate about giving people just the truth that I’m like off to that side of the street, you know, they’re they’re not going to come to my side because that means end of their career. So no matter what advice I give them, they’re not going to be able to do it for their their side of the street. I’ll meet them where they’re at, and let’s see what happens. And that’s really where all of the best stuff the coolest things happen because I was able to bring to them opportunities to kind of manage their environment. They can’t change it because it’s their career, but we can manage the environment around them which is I think the funnest stuff about biohacking is bringing the environment to the extent at which you can control it. You know, plugging little things in here and there so that turned into somebody heard me speak someplace and that turned into a published book and that’s what’s the what’s the book let’s let’s give you a plug. It’s, it’s called effortless. Real food. Effortless real food. Yes. And and then some of the food I was making for my clients on the road. They were like this is really awesome Wendy but we can’t find it except for when we’re hanging out with you. So I decided to make them into nutrition bars, not like we need any more nutrition bars on the market.

Speaker 1 9:57
Then they’re super yummy, super yummy. So whatever they call it, I’m blanking on

Speaker 2 10:02
the name of the company is called H O L A. The names of the bars are go be happy. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 10:10
that’s great. I only see one of them. I

Speaker 2 10:12
didn’t that was yeah, go be happy. Yeah, go has energy and energy element and it has green tea extract and B has lemon balm extract and he has to tell because you know PA, I’ve

Speaker 1 10:23
had the b It’s the light, light, not too heavy. It’s not too much of a bar, but it’s awesome doesn’t leave you with a crash. So

Speaker 2 10:33
I appreciate that. I was making those for people on the road and they wanted them off. And so I was in Arizona where my family is and my business partner and I there we kind of rounded it up turned it into something and that brought me out to LA where I’ve met up with a group of people about the bar specifically and in the process of that other food products became kind of like a vision and now they are

Speaker 1 10:59
a reality. So you have more hula products versus the latest the bars let’s

Speaker 2 11:02
just the bar and then I have a new type of dip coming out. It’s a snack dip called Amish Amish. It’s not quite as common. Okay, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 11:13
What is it? Is it chickpea base? What is it? Okay,

Unknown Speaker 11:16
it’s actually almond base. I don’t use tahini or chickpeas,

Speaker 1 11:20
things in there for it anti inflammatory marker booster

Speaker 2 11:30
quickly and it’s minimally processed and there’s very few ingredients. So people can’t believe.

Speaker 1 11:39
I understand. That’s great. That’s great. The secret sauce is literally in this case. Exactly. Alright, so you’ve established starting your food empire. And what’s the next step in the windy journey?

Speaker 2 11:49
Um, so next health is you know, a huge passion project of mine. I absolutely love the opportunities that I have there to develop and bring in new technology which is a lot of how actually you and I met me doing research on bringing stuff to people that maybe someone might think is only available to like the upper echelon and going no, like, if this stuff was available to me and I just had to go looking for it. Then let me do the footwork for other people. Go find the best of the best and now I have a place to house it and bring it all in. And so I plan to do that forever. I want to always have the opportunity to find the best of the best and and bring it into a retail location where people are just, you know, walking by going to the store and oh look at that. You have an IV in his arm. That’s weird. And it really does prompt conversation that allows us to educate people but also give them a safe environment to explore other options besides what they grew up with.

Speaker 1 12:49
So I mean, you’re on this next health. Can you say more about what the company is what kind of things you guys do, they’re applying to him? Sure.

Speaker 2 12:57
So the demographic is all over the board and we see all different age ranges. We do cryotherapy, so whole body cryotherapy. We do there which is a lot of fun. That’s kind of like the like the gateway show where people do experience. For sure it helps with pain and inflammation, which you know, that drives everything from how you’re able to think how you feel, then bringing down that inflammation is key. And then in addition to that people who have like anxiety and depression and are struggling with sleep, they find that to be some of them. Yeah, interesting. One thing that I’ve heard across the board from almost everybody who’s done it is that they have not slept that good in in years.

Speaker 1 13:43
Oh, that’s interesting. Yeah. I wonder why that is give us a sense of what’s what what’s happening in sleep is it reducing just inflammatory markers and so you’re going to deeper slowly. It’s

Speaker 2 13:51
all theory I have I have theories, but because of the profound really, you know, reduction in inflammatory markers. It’s a systemic response as well. So it helps also stimulates the immune system. So I feel like what it does in the vasoconstriction is it kind of wakes everything up. And so if there’s been like some bacteria like hanging out maybe a little virus here or there or maybe just chronic stress that they aren’t have just been ignoring for a while. Suddenly the body’s like, hey, we actually see that you’re not taking care of yourself anymore now like it’s time to sleep because that’s typically what happens when you have a cold or a flu. All you want to do is close your eyes and go to sleep because that’s when the body can repair. So I feel like in cryotherapy, the body wakes up and then once they get home and they actually can rest Why is like Oh, good. Now we can actually do what we need to do.

Speaker 1 14:47
So the gateway is cryotherapy. What other things

Speaker 2 14:52
IV therapy. IV therapy is high dose vitamins delivered intravenously. So while people are like I’m still in it, people really sure but as soon as they try it, they realize it’s it’s so worth it. Just delivering more of the nutrients bypassing the gut, which we all know is an issue for just about everybody. So it’s not something that you have to do forever, but it sure does. boost the body’s ability to kind of get those nutrients into the cell. And in on bypass, like the supplementation and even our food doesn’t have enough nutrients in it to get us to the levels that we need to be

Speaker 1 15:31
going through first pass metabolism. So it’s not even if you had you’re eating nothing but the column or other you know high B things are still not getting the same concentration that you would if you bypass to the gut lining so

Speaker 2 15:43
Exactly. So and then some fun things they just pass the blood brain barrier. So of course I have to throw those in. So we have different cocktails for different goals which is pretty fun. It helps to introduce the idea that medicine or proactive wellness can be very unique. It doesn’t have to be, you know, a box treatment like oh, I always have to take this one antibiotic, you know, what most people are used to, they come in and they realize there’s an opportunity to really individualize their care, which is very empowering to them. Sure. You

Speaker 1 16:12
know, one of the things that you may have noticed at work where I work at peak brain is that we’re trying to switch the perspective from an illness or even a fix to more of a fitness where you have control and responsibility and ability to change your body, your brain. And so why not engage with those resources I imagine in exile we have a lot of this. People not simply trying to use traditional medicine to fix a specific problem but are trying to, you know, biohack trying to take control have more agency over their health over their trajectories. Is that true across all ages. Are you seeing elders, young people, millennials? Is it really across the board in terms of who wants to engage with these next generation health? modifiers?

Speaker 2 16:54
Yes, it’s, I would say it’s more of a mindset that it is an age Okay, for sure. There’s a larger collection of that mindset in the millennial age group where they’re kind of they’ve, they’ve already seen family members go through something. And they feel like there’s other options or at least if there are any other options. They want to explore them. They don’t really want to just follow suit and I think that’s kind of the mentality overall where they’re not really interested in following suit with you know how we do just about anything and I love that I love the idea that all of what’s been just a lot just the way it is, is being challenged now and that’s how I’ve always lived so I love it when people come in and are just excited about trying to fit in different and empowering themselves to be optimized and beyond just to do have some things that they’re doing with regardless of age. Feeling good, feels good. And, and I always tell them, you know, I don’t think that we’ve even scratched human potential and it’s not mostly it’s not patched. So if we can just get to like the next poll, then I think we’re going to see where we can see like, the sky’s the limit, and that’s really exciting to that particular demographic, you know, that are retired long ago. We know I cryo and to try the IVs and, and to experience all the different things that we have there to offer.

Speaker 1 18:24
That’s wonderful. So, you’ve done a lot of things you’re pretty far afield in terms of your recruiting products and businesses. Around essentially empowered choice around maximizing your health. What is your daily routine like Do you are you are you practicing what you preach? I mean, I’m definitely guilty of never quite taking as much care of my own brain as I helped my clients do. You know who shaves the barber kind of thing but what is your routine like? Are you are you running from the moment you get up in the money collapse? Do you have a good life work life balance? It sounds like you made some structural changes. When you left the more corporate world has that intention carry through?

Speaker 2 19:05
It’s it’s a challenge, you know, especially with you know, being an entrepreneur and having way too many projects and having, especially way too many ideas. It’s a challenge to maintain some kind of structure or any structure at all. So what I’ve had to learn how to do is to maintain flexibility and that just promising or agreeing with myself that there will be a moment of meditation and that that doesn’t matter when I just need to always be very present and aware to know this is the time to step away. And to do that. I would love it if it was first thing in the morning. But sometimes I’m not even going to bed until four o’clock in the morning or five o’clock in the morning. Just because that’s just the that’s just the nature of the beast. Sometimes you just, I’m not not recommending that. But it’s just it is the nature of the beast. So on that day, I can’t get up and follow suit. And I think one of the traps we get into is that oh well if I if I eat bad now that the whole rest of the day is blown. I’m just gonna have to eat all the things that are not good for me. And we do that across the board. All things in life. So

Speaker 1 20:14
Oh, it’s a cheat day because I had sugar at 9am I guess I could have sugar all day long.

Speaker 2 20:19
Exactly. So instead of saying I’m going to get up and do these things, every day, regardless, and then feeling like I’ve let myself down before the date has even started. I just don’t that’s for me is not mentally healthy. mentally healthy for me is to make sure that I get in exercise every day, some form of it, whether it’s just a walk around the block, or quick like Tabata sprint on the treadmill or its water. Tabata is a way of doing endurance training. So it’s 20 seconds of full on like basically just sprinting and then 10 seconds of nothing. And going back and forth between the two.

Speaker 1 21:01
I reminds me what we used to do in cross country or track training in high school we split between telephone poles, the rock with the telephone poles and sprint blocks britlock Sprint walk and it was much more vigorous than simply running straight out. The tundra. I really liked that.

Speaker 2 21:15
The push is is really key, pushing the body like that and then and then showing it or or confirming for that you’re going to let it rest that push and rest and push and rest done over the course of 10 minutes 12 minutes or so. I can do that every day at least some point. So I make sure I exercise make sure that I have some meditation, prayer time. Make sure that I really really well. Okay. I think that’s probably the most important thing that I do have the most control over and if I can’t eat something awesome, I’ll just it’s fasting day because I think it’s better to to to spend that time fasting itself up. Sure it will do awesome but then to to choose an alternate source of who knows what I’m I’m in the food industry. I know what

Speaker 1 22:11
nonsense, exactly a study a couple weeks ago that suggests even a 24 hour fast causes pancreatic diabetics who are insulin dependent 24 hour fast causes non beta islet cells to convert into beta islet cells and start producing insulin. Even folks that are purely enslaved, you know, injecting insulin every single day and they think they’re you know, full blown diabetics. Those folks fasting for a day seems to trigger new cell growth in insulin producing cells. So that’s a fairly prophetic that violates our idea about what these things are. And that I think is something something from the space you and I both work in which is on that edge of what might be known and what is not really known. You know, I mean, we end up working I joke sometimes when we’re in the space of what is plausible, you’re not Nestle deterministic. Oh, here’s some data about your body, your brain. Okay? That’s interesting. It might mean this and I always pull back about over interpreting, it’s really, you know, there’s lots of conflicting information about what my specific snip means or what cholesterol means or anything else. And so I’m always, Oh, that’s interesting. But let’s avoid drawing too many conclusions about what we’re seeing. Even in the space I work, which is Q, EEG and brain mapping. And I was like, Okay, this pattern might be this really sure. And then you’re doing a lot of, I imagine metabolic assessments and markers and things as well. So and those are probably, I guess, informative, but not necessarily deterministic. Is that the space you’re working in as well? Yes,

Speaker 2 23:41
for sure. Because one thing that I was thinking as you were talking about your approaches, I noticed that the first couple of times that we work together, is you know, the placebo effect works in reverse as well. So when you want it to be somebody to go Oh, yeah, I do. I actually. It also works reverse so when you make suggestions, or even if the little labs or diagnostic and it’s like you have to be very careful about how how you share that information, because that was a cool effect. can literally take that into a whole other negative spiral but no SIBO effect. Yeah, exactly. So, um, so yeah, I think that it’s really important to not draw specific conclusions and more so I’m really passionate about helping people start listening to themselves and go back to what just our innate intelligence and sitting in sitting there in the discomfort not knowing for a minute for no crazy skills like problem solving, you know, I know Siri is awesome. I love her too, but it does disrupt our our natural ability to draw conclusion and say, you know, I know everybody else is doing that, but that is still good for me. So, from metabolic. From a metabolic standpoint, we do genetic testing. So we look at the genetic tests that we get from a lab in San Diego. We looking at genetics for you know, how best to eat for, the way they’re designed, and how to exercise or how they’re designed. And I love that stuff because it gives them an opportunity to have to sit in an unknown and make a decision for themselves, which is probably one of the most powerful things you can give to

Speaker 1 25:29
a human being absolutely yeah. So so we really do work in the same space. But here’s some data let us try to demystify it for you as much as possible. And then this presents some opportunities maybe for going after things and manipulating them. I really forget how we first talked about your brain that I would be very cautious about interpreting Yes. Okay, good. And I

Speaker 2 25:47
totally noticed because that’s actually how when I was really sick, and I was being treated by the naturopathic center that I went to, they would never tell you about how I might feel or what I should expect. They just said Have a great night. And then I would go home and have fevers and all this crazy stuff as my body was fighting off this bacteria and it never really frightened me. I obviously had questions the next day, but I loved how they let me sit in that and that was really a gift and I and I will never forget that and so I I definitely noticed you doing the same thing. And probably for the first time and maybe 10 years. Going to take brain as the one time I didn’t intention didn’t research anything or trying to understand it. I just wanted to go and just experience it interesting without the study, which I still feel super dumb when I’m there because I’m like why is it why is it happening like this and I do want

Unknown Speaker 26:43
to talk to me about different brainwaves.

Speaker 2 26:47
I understand that but at the same time there’s really something sweet about going someplace and and just I guess I know it’s not magic. It’s not magic, but it feels like it. It just seems to ease Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 26:59
You aren’t doing anything right and it’s just sitting there enjoying it. Yeah. So awesome.

Unknown Speaker 27:04
That’s great. It also

Speaker 1 27:06
must be nice for you to I mean, looking at your history, you have been sort of in charge if you will, to some extent of providing services or expanding you know, resources. It must be kind of nice to not have to be in charge and not have to assess intellectually everything you’re engaging with. I mean, I appreciate the trust that you that you’re giving me and giving deep brain but my guess is part of the benefit for you is being the person who’s receiving care and support and not having to be the person with the cutting edge of figuring everything else out yourself. Right.

Speaker 2 27:41
Yeah, so well that’s there’s a lesson in that you and for me, I’m I’m it’s really important for me when I’m giving an advice to somebody else to at least have experienced it myself, or to be currently practicing like we were just talking about my daily routines, what does that look like? And do I practice what I preach? In that sense? I’m constantly telling, I would say primarily women who are powerful and intelligent and and they can take care of things about how to be a girl, and how important it is to be taken care of and how important it is to trust people and let people come in, create a village a community. That stuff is just so important. And so if I don’t ever do that, in my own life, if I don’t intentionally engage that way, then I really have no grounds. To speak that over anybody else. So I try to find spots where I feel like it’s safe to do that and, and it’s always truly nice when I can just go okay. I don’t have to know I want to know but I’m not even gonna look. And so it is it is as much a learning experience for me as as it is therapy because it gives me a voice in there. No, I know. It’s hard, but I do

Speaker 1 28:54
it all the time. And I would hope I mean, as you know, we’ve remapped your brain every 20 or so sessions and so we’ve we’ve shown you more data about your brain as your go through the process. And as you change I imagine even without being a neuroscientist that feels like you’re getting valid data and things. It’s eliminating without even the the sort of deep knowledge that may be required to choose what we do your brain. We always provide the data back to clients. The puppies might drink up to data.

Speaker 2 29:19
Yeah, I love it. And I feel like at some point I really do want to just come hang out and just watch everything because that it’s just so the brain is a passion of mine right now. I just am fascinated by it. And when I have the mental wherewithal to like wrap my mind around it, that is what I want the nootropics and stuff we’ve talked about, and how some people were doing it. Kind of dabbling in some scary stuff. And then some of it is just like, oh, really just that like amino acid. It’s crazy that

Speaker 1 29:55
peptide or that precursor to some enzyme or some neurotransmitter? Absolutely. Yeah, I’m worthy. I find it interesting space a little frightening. It’s one of the reasons I helped Chris Thompson initially is because that four years ago now as I looked at the nootropic space, and I was running my dissertation, and I couldn’t figure out and I have taken courses in psychopharmacology and pharma, kinetics and dynamics everything else and I could not figure out of all the market is nootropics what was likely to work, why they weren’t smart what the safe and so I ended up doing that research to find like a basic snack. But even now I cringe at 90% of the marketing the bizdev the messaging around these substances called nootropics. For folks that haven’t heard the term before, nootropics are things that theoretically the strict definition, improve brain health, without side effect, which really does rule out most of the things that are labeled nootropics for marketing sense things like caffeine, things like Modafinil, which is absolutely not a nootropic I don’t even told you I took Modafinil, just over four years ago, four and a half years ago. 21 days single dose every morning and on the 21st Today I woke up with head to toe times and for the next six weeks I heard er three times Urgent Care three times massive histamine immune response. They basically barely bought it before it turned into Steven Johnson Syndrome and I had no skin sloughing. So I had a massive histamine problem because of this, you know what is considered by Silicon Valley types anyways, in the tropics, not in Tropic but these days, folks like Dave Asprey and other prolific publishing bio hackers, they’re really hot on Modafinil and I’m very much an isolated voice in the field or the space of biohacking saying, Look, Modafinil is the last thing you want to try because it’s unless you have narcolepsy or you work third shift or some other sleep problem, then it’s you know, indicated but not for attention. So,

Speaker 2 31:59
yes, yeah, well, and I always appreciate hearing that stuff because we do get a lot of those questions over next shelf where I’ll sit down with somebody just for general consultation, and they’re coming in looking to optimize performance. And they came in because they heard about our brain IV and they want to experience that and then we’re like, what else do you have like, what else can you tell me and I always tell them, if there’s side effects, it is not it. is not something that’s no matter what the instant gratification result is. If you’re here to optimize then my advice or just anything that’s not going to optimize you.

Speaker 1 32:33
And also, you know, folks that are trying to boost their performance above baseline. It’s a different cost benefit analysis that if somebody’s trying to fix an illness or fix an infirmity or some deficit, then you may need to tolerate some side effects on the way to healing or the way to shoring up the deficit that you’re that’s costing you something. But if you’re already healthy, be it young or old, and trying to boost that health and performance. I think the threshold for tolerating side effects, the downside should be zero. The only things that are going to slightly boost and cause a small performance improvement if you’re already healthy, is massively subjectively felt. I mean, you get a big big push, which

Speaker 2 33:13
I experienced it’s so true and I I got things from it that I wasn’t anticipating. I think that’s what’s things I didn’t tell you about. Did not tell me to expect or to

Speaker 1 33:28
happen in the first month or two for a while now, but I forget what your first experience was.

Speaker 2 33:33
So initially I was just primarily coming to optimize understanding. I’d love to have for people make jokes down the road and I didn’t I think the first or second time I actually had a little bit of like emotion with it. I’m carefully speaking about this because it’s not to be negative. It actually was a great experience because everything in my life moves so fast that I just kind of became numb. Okay, so there really wasn’t any great to have no ups and downs. Not it’s not healthy to be numb. And so I had like, anger after one, one session and that and while that should have been frustrating, or to me, it was like, Oh yeah, I don’t I it occurred to me, I didn’t remember the last time I really felt angry. And then we did made some adjustments and stuff, which I also love how you and your staff are so up on the feedback and it’s not just like, Oh, here’s another person. It’s really very individualized and so that’s super helpful. But then then, I would say six sessions into it. There was one day where I didn’t I didn’t want to go to sleep, because I didn’t want to experience anything else but how I felt that day and I wanted I wanted to bottle that. I thought if I could put this in the package. I would be a billionaire, like this is incredible. And how I always thought you’d have to be very caffeinated and like very hyped up to be, you know, laser focus. What was the strangest thing that was like I was I had the most productive day to this day that I’ve ever had. And I was like on the beach you know? I was like, Oh, this is like my body was just like so relaxed and there was no tension and you know, I like I like that job. And none of that going on. My body was like so relaxed. Like I was on vacation but my mind was like what I thought I’d probably have to use drugs for honestly, I have never experienced before and from that moment. How do I get that all the time? We

Speaker 1 35:50
deliver that and you haven’t been quite as dramatic results. And it happens sometimes for the first time you have a really hit. It’s like oh my god because it feels so different. And that’s a little less dramatic because your brain is adjusting to the experience and learning to reproduce it. Yeah, that was left side training for you and generally left side training. In Neurofeedback produces fewer errors of omission for attention you grasp the alerting of your attention. It’s just on where right side training tends to make you more self controlled. So you’re less reaction. So we’ve actually had a lot of boats with you, of course, and we often do a lot of tweaking here tweaking there and gradually building you up over time. So that’s wonderful.

Speaker 2 36:27
One thing I did notice is when I when the last couple months have just been crazy, and I didn’t get to come in for probably about two three weeks that I felt so even though I may not feel like that extent of oh my gosh, I need this all the time. I want this in a bottle. I did notice on the flip side, whereas I I didn’t realize how much it was helping me until I wasn’t utilizing it right.

Speaker 1 36:56
Yeah, we we didn’t have quite enough training to I think to make everything stick that was neurofeedback, that tends to be this evaluation process where we try protocols yet works. You do a bunch of it to really build an effect. And then I Well, we often shift gears basically but if you stick with a protocol for enough time, then the resource becomes lasting. I think we did do some more left side training with you and it actually made use of a two wire they’ve gone a little far at one point and pull back which can happen you know, it’s not ideal. But, you know, it’s again, we’re working in this space where we have to balance what is known what is unknown what is possible, what is intuitive, which is not a very comfortable place for a scientist to be so I have to, you know, for me, I have to put down the linear mind sometimes and, you know, sit there and be a good listener. I joke these days that while I’m not a therapist, the role that I play therapeutically is like a bartender. You know, I’m good listener I have some good stories I’m gonna rely on me for your psychological well being right, you know, specific skills, making them a strength or looking at your brain map or something but you know, when you’re working with these deep almost intimate things in people’s resources, your experiences it’s an interesting you know, vulnerability your clients made. So this is true for you as well as the clients have to you as somebody who’s looking at their data, their their secrets, and sometimes I mean, I probably did this with you, I can look it up and go Oh, I see this this and this. That’s true on you’re like, wait, I imagine the same is true. homocysteine and in estrogen, testosterone, all these other biomarkers, you can probably sketch a picture of the person from their data, which is a fairly intimate experience. With health coach to have that to have that awareness. Oh, wait, you know what’s going on inside my body and my brain? That’s a little strange. Yeah,

Speaker 2 38:48
it’s strange, and it’s also very comforting. Even we have an in body scanner, which is a scale Okay, essentially, but it measures the composition of the body. So whatever the total weight is, we can also tell within that weight, whatever it is mass, fat mass and what is muscle mass, and water. And just that moment, is a very vulnerable moment and being able to help them understand things that they haven’t been able to figure out before. Seems like such a simple thing to come over and stand on the scale. But when you look at it like that, I think that’s why people feel brushed aside but when you when you approach that knowing that this is an opportunity to really help somebody get in tune with their body looks very simple. So it’s non threatening, but it can really provide the drastic benefits for them and all it was was

Speaker 1 39:42
so let me please you mentioned earlier your brain cocktail. I was so curious. I know we mentioned that. We talked about it off air a couple times, but I’ve never heard what is in it for these things you share. I’m curious what kind of brain things you’re you’re doing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 39:55
So it is our most popular IV. I have used it several times. And I know it’s an I know, placebo effect and it’s I didn’t plan to feel anything from it because it’s not really designed to to free to feel something I always joke with patients when they say Why don’t fully family what do you feel yourself right now? Yeah, can you feel um, because if you can’t feel yourself and that doesn’t mean that there’s not things happening there just means that they haven’t reached the extent to which you know, it’s, you can feel it in the moment. So anyway, I definitely get tremendous benefits from it starts out with a Myers cocktail, which is kind of a standard in IV therapy. Yes, well, it has vitamin C, magnesium, calcium, all of what the vitamins and multichoice would trace minerals to the bar and then in that we add acetyl l carnitine. O

Speaker 1 40:48
energy, mitochondrial sort of fuel,

Unknown Speaker 40:52
some glycine, amino

Speaker 1 40:55
acid, pretty serious GABA other neurotransmitters. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 40:59
awesome. Glutamine. Okay, so pressing glutamate

Speaker 1 41:01
and some fibers. taurine. Great B, vitamin substrate beautiful.

Speaker 2 41:06
And don’t all those them together and they’re just dosed us very specific way. Something

Unknown Speaker 41:14
from you or your brain and

Speaker 2 41:17
it’s about the pathways precursor and helping with the

Speaker 1 41:22
avoiding sort of rate limiting emergent steps exactly. Like that. I will give all your secrets away but

Unknown Speaker 41:28
yes, it’s all like there is a method to all my says

Speaker 1 41:31
reassuring. methodological madness is the kind of yes, that’s great. So huge amount of information so far. When the I’m curious. As an entrepreneur, we’re sort of like sharks. We can’t hold still or we die. What are you aiming towards? What are the next projects? You mentioned, Hamish? I submitted a few other products in production, maybe more books, maybe I don’t know what you’re doing these days. So yeah,

Speaker 2 41:58
so I have multiple food projects happening right now go home. This is like the big deal. That’s kind of that is I’m leaving here and heading off to a manufacturing so that’s, that is like the on the forefront. I also have another line of snack things like bars of sorts that are I’m working on as well, working on some private labeling projects. So for people who already have a brand and they just want to expand on their brand and bring quality food because it really runs alongside everything else that somebody’s doing something with health and wellness if they haven’t brought in food, or talked about food or offering some kind of good food product. In addition to whatever they’re doing. It’s time to do it. So I formulate for larger corporations, people who are already on the shelf and have a presence. I go in and and reformulate or formulate for them so that they do products essentially playing or even products that are just not doing as well as they would like them to or they want to truly make it healthy because right now it’s not so healthy. I can

Speaker 1 43:04
really use the word natural doesn’t mean it’s not good for you know,

Speaker 2 43:08
I know I’m learning so many things and yes, that is true. So, and then also just as science of as we will learn more things about some foods, I mean, look at what happened with butter, you know, right? It’s, that’s just one example of hundreds where we are realizing that that’s probably not the best choice. So if you want to stay on the market and you want to stay ahead of the game, you might have to reformulate and make sure that you’re putting product into your food or putting ingredients into your products that are in line with what it is that you’re teaching people. So there’s lots of that on in the works. And then I’m working on another book I’m writing a book on on fitness and just overall balance and and really what fitness is from like a mobilities. And I guess to sum it up, it’s more about your brain and your frame. Okay, and making sure that and how they work together and also how some people are all about intellect and that’s awesome, but then they’re neglecting their body Sure, and vice versa. So how to make sure that they all come together and why but making it very digestible. So it’s not like a tough read but something very quick where people can apply it right away, right you know, right away and then daily opportunities, but like one new thing a day and it was just like a 365 days. So within a year, you’ve literally either adopted or at least tried 10 and 65 new ways all

Speaker 1 44:30
practical, action based next action steps. It’s great. It’s wonderful. A

Unknown Speaker 44:34
lot of biohacking in there.

Unknown Speaker 44:36
I can’t imagine what

Unknown Speaker 44:38
some of those things in there. too.

Speaker 1 44:40
Very cool. So books food. Do you have do you have any time for anything besides business? Yes,

Speaker 2 44:46
the beach, the beach. I love the beach. I always make sure to get outside and just do fun things in fresh air. So I just want to be out in nature as much as I like barefoot as much as possible in nature. I play guitar. I love to like learn languages I love to read. So yeah, those are all like the ways that I kind of unplug from the craziness of business you

Speaker 1 45:13
should come to pick brains Friday night West African drumming instruction will teach you how to do some mulink a rhythm if you’re I mean, nice. Not not tomorrow we’re gonna be in Tampa looking at a new location. So Wendy, where can folks find more about you? You know, where can they track you down? Where’s Neff next health where is Hamish gonna be where are those little bars?

Speaker 2 45:37
So the easiest spot would be windy michelle.com so windy with an eye Okay, Wendy michelle.com. As you scroll down the bottom it literally has every project that I’m working on and clickable links right? Next health so if somebody is in Los Angeles I was visiting and wants to see was cryo chamber ever, which come check it out and have a procession on. Try it out for yourself and see if you don’t sleep better experienced the endorphins you know after negative 165 degrees. Totally normal. Yeah, that’s pretty Yeah, I can’t wait for you to come try it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 46:16
I will. I want to try the cryotherapy one for the brain cocktail. And I have some other other cool things that I’ve heard about overthinking. I’m interested in trying

Speaker 2 46:27
we’re all Sunset Boulevard right next to Trader Joe’s. The website for that if you want to learn, you know somebody wanted to learn more about what, what? Next dash health.com

Unknown Speaker 46:42
the links in the show notes so you’ll still have that under the show.

Speaker 2 46:44
I’m there and I’m also in the factory making magic old foods

Unknown Speaker 46:50
with Uber lube is a rescue to try to like like Willy Wonka he rescued from slavery to make 10 slaves.

Speaker 2 46:58
I destroyed the food products until I knew I would have a staff.

Speaker 1 47:02
That’s great. That’s great. Well when you thanks so much for coming on the show today. It’s been great to talk to you in a different setting. And I’ve learned a few things about about you your products and your vision which I think is important. So folks, thanks for listening. This has been another episode of headfirst with Dr. Hill. My guest today is when you check her out at Windy michelle.com. It’s windy with an eye and folks take care of your brains.


Wendi Michelle

Wendi Michelle is the VP of Operations and Executive Director of Wellness at Next Health, which is one of the premier health and wellness centers in Los Angeles. She is also a nutrition entrepreneur as the founder and creator of food startups Hoola Bars and Hummish. Wendi is also a long-time health coach, biohacker, personal trainer, and author of Effortless Real Foods.

Wendi has dedicated her life to giving people tools to master their own nutrition, fitness and health goals. A life altering face to face confrontation with her own health set her on a path to disrupt every system that opposes complete health and wellbeing in order to empower people in truth. Wendi continues to seek out and apply the latest in scientific advancements believing that we have barely scratched the surface of human potential.