Dr. Andrew Hill is indeed associated with the Peak Brain Institute, where he has developed neurofeedback approaches aimed at optimizing cognitive abilities and improving overall health and well-being. Neurofeedback, also known as EEG biofeedback, is a technique that uses real-time monitoring of brain activity to teach self-regulation of brain function. This approach has been used to address various conditions such as ADHD, anxiety, depression, and even to enhance cognitive performance in healthy individuals.

Dr. Andrew Hill is recognized for his work in neurofeedback and brain training, and he has contributed significantly to research and practice in this field. His methodologies often involve personalized training protocols tailored to individual needs and goals, with the aim of optimizing brain function and promoting overall wellness.

Speaker 1 0:05
So my friend, you are a 12 cylinder sports car who’s left the driveway with the emergency brake firmly engaged, and you’ve learned to stand on the gas to make up for it and you get where you’re going ahead of most cars but overheated out of gas and give me an oil change

Unknown Speaker 0:19
description of my life.

Speaker 2 0:22
I’m Emma, a video producer at Fast Company and for over half of my life I’ve really been struggling with both my mental and physical health really haven’t found any meaningful solutions. So I’ve turned to various experts and specialists who claim that biohacking is actually the future of health.

Speaker 2 0:46
So today, I am meeting with Dr. Andrew Hill, who is the founder of peak Brain Institute. And he is one of the top performance coaches in the country with a PhD in cognitive neuroscience. And he’s going to walk me through hacking my brain on my mental health through neurofeedback. So right

Speaker 3 1:03
now, I’m filling out a client intake form that I probably should have shown earlier, please select areas where you’d like to see improvement, focus or distractibility. Yes, learning and memory, definitely word retrieval, struggle constantly. Anger and irritability. Yes, please. anxiety and worry. Dear God, yes, racing thoughts, obsessing mood and emotions, eye contact, flexibility to change. This honestly feels like a personal attack at this point. And I’m excited to like, really get to understand why my brain don’t work. Hi, Andrew,

Unknown Speaker 1:47
how are you today? Good. How are you doing? I’m doing well. Thanks. Looking forward to mapping your brain.

Speaker 3 1:52
I’m very excited to learning what goes on and in this beam, because for the most part, I don’t think it works so great. And I’d like to know, well, all of

Speaker 1 2:01
our brains are a little variable. And they all work pretty well. But if you see things in your brain that you don’t like, we can actually change it. So you know, we’ll show you how it works both your performance and your resting brain. But then that gives you opportunities to manipulate stress, sleep attention, that

Speaker 3 2:17
kind of stuff. What’s the difference between performance brain and resting brain?

Speaker 1 2:21
Well, so we’re looking at your actual executive function performance, how well you can sit and focus when you’re really bored. So not Well, yeah, yeah, that’s Sorry.

Unknown Speaker 2:29
All right. Well, let’s get bored.

Speaker 2 2:31
Great. Let’s do it. So Dr. Hills set me up with an attention test. And it’s it’s literally just a screen that flashes a one or two. And all you have to do, literally all you have to do is if you hear one, you click the mouse, it’s the easiest test given and yet somehow, one to one. One to One, one. It did not go very well. And coming out of that test just felt

Speaker 3 3:04
embarrassing. Is 15 minutes of that, and I feel like the first 15 seconds I started out strong maybe. And then it shows what

Speaker 1 3:17
Yeah, significant things to work on here. Am I on a bell curve? You’re coming in about three standard deviations off the mean? What does that mean? You have a lot of difficulty paying attention. Now

Speaker 3 3:27
I’m aware of that. That was one of the most

Speaker 1 3:31
difficult things you’re performing rather like somebody with ADHD. The most severe difficulty is the moment of changing gears and grabbing something new. So if you’re thinking about something and someone starts talking to you, you’d be like, Sorry, what it

Speaker 3 3:44
was doing what it was doing the sound and then it didn’t look whatever number popped up. I’d click so

Speaker 1 3:50
if you look at your brain now Yep, look at the big room down the hall.

Speaker 3 3:56
So what’s my just like brief result that you saw, cognitively? Why are you said it can be ADHD

Speaker 1 4:06
like some of the worst ADHD in the planet? Be Yeah. But no, your scores are three standard deviations out on a bell curve where plus or minus one is considered typical two thirds of people plus or minus one on a bell curve. If someone came in with your kind of brain and it was ADHD, it was classic straightforward ADHD, we expect to bring them up to above average level in about three months, permanently. Almost always. me know if I’m pinching or pulling anything that should not be uncomfortable. It takes 1015 minutes to get a good set of signals off your head. Once we have the signals running on the screen. Then you sit still for 10 minutes. We five eyes closed and five eyes open. That’s it.

Speaker 1 4:54
See if you could soften your jaw and forehead a tiny bit. Let them hang a little bit perhaps Okay, you can relax. First half is done, we saved this file for our data team who’s going to jump right on it for us. Here’s your brain eyes closed. If you’re curious, this is not live right now, just static data. I will say, and I don’t know if this is true yet until I look at the analysis, it looks like your alpha isn’t super robust, like it keeps trying to be produced and falls over and comes back. And I’m seeing a lot of beta waves creep in. So I would not be surprised if you carry around a lot of anxiety from because your brains like trying to find neutral and like, nope, here I go, nope, it keeps doing that where it starts to shut off and then prepares to process even with your eyes closed. It’s like no, no,

Speaker 3 5:39
it’s nice to actually put a face to

Speaker 2 5:45
anxiety. It’s just your brain. It’s just your brain. So Dr. Hill mapped my brain, and being able to see my brain on the screen actually got like really emotional in the chair, because I felt like myself like fighting back the motions. Because it’s actually it’s quite a vulnerable position to be openly talking about your mental health and to have it like all right in front of you. I’ve struggled with anxiety and depression my whole life. And I’ve always felt othered and like, I’m not normal. And I’m, I’m broken. And so to have someone look at my brain and go, I see what’s going on here, I see the way you operate, there’s nothing you tell me, if you like this, if this works for you. And if not, we can change it. But if it serves you and if you like it, that’s beautiful.

Speaker 1 6:34
Now I’ve cheated. I’ve measured your performance, most people have like ADHD because of too much theta, which is like too much lubrication, the brain goes squirrel and it can’t pump the brakes. Yeah, yours that same region that usually produces tons of theta is actually producing tons of delta, which is your rest and repair wave. So you’re so tired, you can’t resist an ADHD state that creeps in that can get in the way doesn’t have to good job be unusual. But if it does get in the way, having a stuck or cramped up, cingulate in the front tends to mean people per separate, they obsess basically, this marker is the one that shows up when you hyper focus. And if you’re in control of it, we call that a CEO. And if you’re not in control of that call that OCV once something starts cycling back and forth, it doesn’t really settle back down super easily. It kind of resonates with worry, yeah, this is stuff you deal with. It’s kind of obvious to me because like the brains, but very few people can experience what you know, can know what you’re experiencing here. And you look so healthy. You look at there’s no suffering. So you have that like Silent stuff like Fibro and stuff that you’re paying the stress. Those things are often things that we suffer with without much support because they aren’t terribly visible. So there’s that, you know, visualization, hopefully providing some agency thing xiety Is not genuine disease. It’s a normal resource, that spasm dot because overused,

Speaker 3 7:53
it’s so strange that you can literally just like it’s all there. And the

Speaker 1 7:57
fact that we can see things that are valid for you means these things are real enough to then go change. We see some things here that you could change things around features of stress, attention, sleep, maybe pain. For separation rumination, I

Speaker 2 8:11
have been so excited to talk to Dr. Hill, because it feels insane to me that there could be a tool like this out there that isn’t a part of our health care, right for mental health for cognitive function, fibromyalgia, chronic pain disorders, cystic fibrosis, even he’s actually he’s able to train down your body’s like echoing of pain, so you don’t experience it as much. And everyone may have different reasons, but the benefit that we can all have feels invaluable in the biohacking field.

Speaker 3 8:42
Accessibility and finance really is such a huge it’s like a gatekeeper almost no.

Speaker 1 8:52
But peak brain as a company operates like a Personal Training Center. Yeah, for the brain, not a doctor’s office. So our pricing is actually fair amount less than most therapists Yeah, we’re derp is love what we do because we’re so pro neurofeedback, they don’t love our prices, because we’re just rather disruptive. And it’s not a great, you know, it’s not the same business,

Speaker 2 9:14
I think of people who have limited mobility for a number of reasons. And I think of those who can then get access to this training from the comfort of their own home without going to a doctor without seeing specialists without needing to get out of bed even, you know, and for me that just feels invaluable when you’re talking about accessibility. And honestly, personally, like it just feels liberating.

Speaker 1 9:37
So why don’t we try to push your brain around a little bit you won’t probably feel it the first time but we can. Have you experienced what Neurofeedback or exercise of your brainwaves looks like if you want to try that. Yes, let’s do it. Would you like to fly over water boats icebergs or some combination islands? Oh, islands, islands and fantasy creatures. You can be there’s that dragon. There’s that dragon is a Hippogriff, a Hippogriff. So what’s happening is the computers measuring brainwaves theta, beta and fast beta and it’s measuring the moving in a certain direction. We want your beta waves, your SMR waves to go up and your theta waves to go down. So whenever your brain has just done some of that dropping its data raising its beta for at least half a second. The little Hippogriff dry flies in a straight line, and you get little applause, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And whenever your brain gets distracted, or tired, or spacey, and that data goes back up, the dings go away, and the dragon starts to drift all over the sky doesn’t fly in a straight line anymore. So you aren’t controlling it, but it’s sort of telling you what you just did. It’s giving you applause for stuff that your brain might want to do more of,

Speaker 3 10:48
like so so invested in making

Speaker 1 10:52
those rights, oddly compelling. So look at your amount of theta waves. Now you’re up to 1718 microvolts. What does that mean? Does that probably are browning out from the effort of doing like sitting here and focusing is actually taxing you and we’re seeing you get more distractible as you sit here. So you’re about 10 minutes into a session. And looks like this is enough training to start actually fatiguing your brain slightly, you aren’t doing anything cognitively. Right, you aren’t just talking to me. But your brain is actually starting to tire out right now based on the screen. Unless there’s major major damage brains like to change brains change faster than bodies. Imagine what you could do in three months with a trainer in the gym if you were not in shape ever and he went to the gym, brains change faster.

Speaker 2 11:34
So honestly, today was one of the better days of my life, I’ve had this shame around my mental health and my fibromyalgia. It can feel so isolating when you’re struggling with non physical presenting illness is or hurdles you know of any kind and to have this kind of validation and be given the tools to not only understand yourself, but to take more control of yourself it can feel a little too good to be true to think that in a few months I could be living without some of these issues that have been chronically plaguing me my entire life but I’m I’m really excited for the journey.

Speaker 3 12:14
Oh my gosh, okay, just go right. to three. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 12:24
Oh my god, is that


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